Beth Perry

I'm Tom Goodfellow, Professor of Urban Development and CEO of the African Cities Research Consortium at the Global Development Institute, University of Manchester.

And I'm Beth Perry, Director of the Urban Institute and Professor of Urban Epistemics at the University of Sheffield.

Tom, it's been a while since we've done a radar.

I've been getting withdrawal symptoms.

And today

we will be talking about coastal cities, but not really in their port capacity.

You've also been doing a little bit of ancestry work, haven't you, Beth? Yes.

Well, yes, I found out some things about my family tree, which is, it's quite good to know.