Bernard Knox

I do find it kind of fascinating that Odysseus basically goes to seek help from the gods, asking them for some chance for escape here, and in doing so, falls asleep.

And only once he's fallen asleep does Eurylochus kind of become the active... motivation of the story the active speaker and it's not that Odysseus is out of commission but you know it's just fascinating that he's asleep when this happens it's not just that he walked away on his own though I mean is it plausible deniability when he's telling the story to Alcinous basically saying what could I do I wasn't even there when they made the choice I was reading the Bernard Knox introduction to the Robert Fagel's translation of Penguin's classics.

And I want to go into this more deeply later.

But he has a section where he compares Odysseus and Achilles.

Right.

Or there was a fellow that I got to know very well, Bernard Knox.

Bernard was probably the greatest student, of Greek tragedy in the 20th century.

Does not come from a fancy background.

But without Athena's direct interference, I feel like what Odysseus and Penelope say to each other and what they reveal to each other through what they say is the real love story over here.

And so, you know, Bernard Knox, who wrote the introduction to the Fagles translation that I'm reading, says that, oh, well, we don't actually know.

You know, she seems like maybe she does, but...

Does she really? And I have to say, sorry, Professor Knox, fail me in your test, but I'm a believer.