Benjamin H. Bratton

Like this is implicitly the idea of the everything app that there is basically governing power within these social networks.

And yeah, that idea comes from 2015 Benjamin Bratton in the stack as a kind of much longer analysis.

But I think that we need to treat these platforms as a kind of competing structure to states themselves.

If you look at the Chinese model, there's kind of a one-to-one relationship between the CCP and WeChat.

Um, I've never spoken with Sara, but at, at some point I suspect I will.

She, she has kind of planetary intelligence sort of ideas similar to, there's a guy, Benjamin Bratton, who's been on the show.

Lovelock unfortunately passed away before I could interview him, but, uh, I would, would have loved to.

But, um, uh, uh, uh, I'm, I'm sort of with you here that, you know, Eric Smith, for example, Santa Fe, might say that the initial chemical gradients that permitted the autocatalytic sets, uh, to sort of kick off, you know, in Stuart Kauffman language, um, like, where is the line where that wasn't alive and isn't? Like, it actually does get fuzzy at the bottom, and I presume even for you it does, but you've still got, like, at least some criteria to say alive versus not alive.