Ben Ryan

But fundamentally, there's, it's a bigger sort of change and a bigger thing to understand, and I've written a little about this a few times.

But, you know, one of the best things I ever heard when it came to leadership and understanding leadership in elite sport, um, was from a, a guy named Ben Ryan, who is the, the head coach of the Fiji Men's Rugby Sevens team, which won gold in the first ever rugby, or, or sorry, first event, a rugby event in the Olympics since 1924.

And, you know, a huge moment for Fiji.

It's, it's basically their national sport.

I love that last point around culture and identity, community and faith.

Have you read Seven's Heaven by Ben Ryan? No, I

haven't.

No.

You know, how can you perform when, you know, your teeth are falling off? um and you know there was some nutritional aspects there was some training aspects and the book is so fascinating because he brings just enough of that kind of that that western organization and you know control the controllables all of that but just enough without dampening what was the kind of the magic of the fijian you know seven system you know which was built around you God, it was based around love of the game, you know, and being proud to represent your country.

And it kind of culminates in that, unfortunately for Great Britain, it culminates in us getting absolutely terminated.

in the final of a sevens game where, you know, that's why the book was called Sevens Heaven because it, you know, whether a team ever reaches that zenith of performance again on a sevens rugby pitch is to be seen because it was that perfect whirlwind of everything that they had in their culture with that just enough of kind of Ben Ryan's value adding from his experiences.

But yeah.