Are you a fan of classical music?

I would claim like peripheral fanhood at most.

I really love classical music, and I like, you know, jazz and stuff.

But if you were like, "Let's go deep and talk about your favorite movements," I'd be like, "I can't really do that." I think I probably more appreciate music that has had classical influences.

You know, like the leaning into the orchestral stuff when The Beatles did it, that kind of stuff.

I'm not like, "Yeah, dude, that's my jam." Basically, a good friend of mine, his name's Cody Fry, we played music together for a long time.

He was like, "Hey, we should do a symphony show together." And I love orchestral arrangements, and I was like, "That sounds like a dream.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think even people that are like, "And now they're selling out shows," I'd be like-... we should, we should really open up the hood and be like, "Are you, are you really making any money though?" Because, like, the reality of what it takes to make money touring is it's an inc- it's a treacherous landscape, and it's really hard to get everything to where it needs to be, to where it's like, "Yeah, dude, this is for real, like, crushing it lucrative." Even people that, like, y- you can do an arena tour and lose money-

Yeah.

'Cause I was like, you know...

I would've been like, "Oh, I only wanna play 10 markets." And they were like, "You should play more than that." It started...

We started to diverge there a little bit where like, you know, as I started taking out like real production and like all that kinda stuff and the shows were big, bigger.

I mean, that's very relative.

Um, the shows were bigger than I expected them to be, I started to be like, "Okay." And this is...

Yeah.

I think even people that are like, "And now they're selling out shows," I'd be like-... we should, we should really open up the hood and be like, "Are you, are you really making any money though?" Because like, the reality of what it takes to make money touring is it's an inc- it's a treacherous landscape, and it's really hard to get everything to where it needs to be to where it's like, "Yeah, dude, this is for real, like, crushing it lucrative." Even people that like, you can do an arena tour and lose money-

Yeah.

'Cause I was like, you know, I would've been like, "Oh, I only wanna play ten markets." And they were like, "You should play more than that." It started, we started to diverge there a little bit where like, you know, as I started taking out like real production and like all that kinda stuff, and the shows were big.

Bigger, I mean, that's very relative.

Um, the shows were bigger than I expected them to be.

I started to be like, okay, and this is, I mean, I've, I've really started refining a lot more in the last maybe like six years.