Ben Hillier

Thanks to my editor, Bethany Bell, and to my colleagues at the UN, Katerina Kitidi, Roberta Politi, Geneva Damiani, Abby Vardellian, Allison Corbay, Laura Rodriguez de Castro, Eric Bagley, Jason Candler, Benji Candelario, Angelica Davis, Tulin Battikhi, Bissera Kostova, Brianna Rowe, June Park, and Taeyong Lee.

The original music for this podcast was written and performed by Nadine Shaw and produced by Ben Hillier.

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Thanks to my editor, Bethany Bell, and to my colleagues at the UN, Katerina Ketiti, Roberta Politti, Geneva Damianti, Abby Vardelian, Alison Corbet, Laura Rodriguez de Castro, The original music for this podcast was written and performed by Nadine Shaw and produced by Ben Hillier.

Yeah, that was definitely already kind of in my head that I wanted it to be that way.

I'm sure we'll get onto this, but working with Ben, the producer on that album,

was really collaborative.

Roll back a minute.

As I'm looking at this, one of the questions I was asking myself was, when you start a song, do you know if it's a cello or a guitar song?

No.

So Land started its life as... a guitar song it was kind of just turning into this kind of mid-naughties era emo kind of thing and I was at the point like we were in the studio it was sort of on the list trying to work with it and me and Ben the producer were like it's not really working is it and he said The music doesn't quite fit the lyrics.

It doesn't quite suit it.