Ben Grabham

It's a completely different style of riding, going, like, as fast as you can in the trees to then into the desert.

And we haven't really seen anyone go from AORC to Finke & Hardar champion since Toby Price did it and probably before him, Ben Grabham.

Um-

Yeah

yeah.

And then obviously the other guys now, Chucky and Toby and that and Ben Grabham, he was one of the first ones.

They're just so fast and reading the map at the same time.

Yeah, at the same time.