but...

Yeah, no, it is, yeah, it is like a, it's fun, and I really do enjoy doing it, and I guess it came from a place of me, you know, having TV shows cancelled and not feeling like, you know, like missing that side of what I did, and I always wanted to get into this industry to make radio and make TV and, you know, make videos and, as well as part of it, and that kind of felt like that, as we were talking about, I think, before we started rolling, you know, the Sometimes emails or the phone calls stop and you feel like, I'm out of this sort of, and I'd love to do more, but it kind of came out of a place of like, I want to do stuff.

I'm pitching ideas that are getting long no's or they're getting not right now.

And I found that really hard, if I can be honest.

And so that, I guess that place came to like, I can make something and I can, no one's saying no.

No one's saying no. There's no roadblocks.

I can put it out there.

full bookcase and stuff.

Is that right?

Yeah well yeah I guess with that we first started working together at radio different shows when Jono was at The Rock and I sort of came as well so I guess and then it's like became a TV show eventually we ended up doing and then became a radio show after that so yeah I guess it was just naturally the two of us were doing two different TV shows at the time two probably lesser rating shows and they thought well maybe we'll put the two of you together and maybe it'll make a slightly more higher rating.

Yeah, exactly.

That was their theory.

So, yeah, and they're very similar sort of styles of shows in a lot of ways.

And so, yeah, that was how the sort of Jono and Ben thing, they sort of pitched it to us.

We sort of went away and thought about it for a little bit and then came back and went, yeah, it sounded like a fun thing to do.

Yeah, you're making it for yourself, right? That's where you should start.