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Bel and the Dragon

Bel and the Dragon

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Oct 1, 2026

Mike SchmitzHOST
1:06
He also took out some chapters in Esther, and there's a precedent for having some hesitation, of course, because even someone like St. Jerome had hesitation over some of the Deuterocanonical Books and some of the chapters of Esther and some of the other chapters.
Mike SchmitzHOST
1:17
Like in Daniel, we read the story of Susanna and Bel and the Dragon way back there, if you can remember all the way back then.
Mike SchmitzHOST
1:23
But the Orthodox and the Catholic churches have discerned that these chapters are part of the canon, so they're part of the Deuterocanonical Books.
Mike SchmitzHOST
1:29
And so in order to understand the story fully, uh, chapters eleven and twelve are actually the first two chapters that we're going to be reading so we can get the chronological story of the Book of Esther.
JTHOST
2:12
I guess it depends on how much of the preface to this podcast, what we're gonna talk about.
JTHOST
2:15
But I know we teased last week that we were gonna discuss Bel and the Dragon, kind of the last chapter of Daniel that's not included in your Masoretic, KJV, ESV, all, uh...
JTHOST
2:28
Whatever kind of normal English translation of the Bible, they don't have Bel and the Dragon.
JTHOST
2:33
But I wanna say that it is included in...
JTHOST
2:35
Do they have it included in Catholic Bibles?
Josh TruaxHOST
3:26
Septuagint.
Josh TruaxHOST
3:26
Mm-hmm
JTHOST
3:26
... yeah, if you grab one of these, like, Sam- English Septuagints, it actually has not only Bel and the Dragon, but it has an alternate version of it, which I've read both now.
speaker_8NARRATOR
19:05
Both the source of the original form of the legend of the fight between Ea and Apsu and Maduk and Tiamat and the period of its composition are unknown, but there is no doubt that in one form or another it persisted in Mesopotamia for thousands of years.
speaker_8NARRATOR
19:22
The apocryphal book of Bel and the Dragon shows that a form of the legend was in existence among the Babylonian Jews long after the captivity, and the narrative relating to it associates it with religious observances.
speaker_8NARRATOR
19:36
But there is no foundation whatsoever for the assertion which has so often been made that the two accounts of creation which are given in the early chapters in Genesis are derived from the seven tablets of creation described in the preceding pages.
speaker_8NARRATOR
19:51
It is true that there are many points of resemblance between the narratives in cuneiform and Hebrew, and these often illustrate each other, but the fundamental conceptions of the Babylonian and Hebrew accounts are essentially different.
The Improbable DreamerGUEST
62:00
Mm-hmm.
Tim ConstantineHOST
62:00
And it's called Bel and the Dragon, and when I looked into this, from what I could tell, this was in the Bible.
Tim ConstantineHOST
62:08
And I don't know why it's not in there anymore, but it was.
Tim ConstantineHOST
62:10
It's in some versions.
Tim ConstantineHOST
62:11
I think it's in the Catholic Bible.
Tim ConstantineHOST
62:12
That it's, it's a part of Daniel, and it's called Bel and the Dragon, and it's, um, I got the, the passage right here.
Tim ConstantineHOST
62:20
Um, when, when King Astyages was w- was laid to rest with his ancestors, Cyrus the Persian succeeded to his kingdom.
Tim ConstantineHOST
62:31
Cyrus the Persian.
Stephen BoyceGUEST
13:24
So he believes that there's a superiority complex to having an organized group of men who are authorities over a text, and you land with them when there's ever a dispute amongst that category of people, and he always gave precedent to these Hebrews.
Stephen BoyceGUEST
13:40
We see this happen even in the church because, for example, in 407, he wrote on the Book of Daniel, not his preface, but he actually wrote a commentary on it, and he gets to the section about Susanna, Bel and the Dragon, which is only in the longer recensions of Daniel.
Stephen BoyceGUEST
13:56
And one of the things that he gets into those, those sections, he starts speaking about how there's this rejection of the 70 with the acceptance of the Theodotion text because the, the Septuagint does have Susanna, but it's a different form, and it's in a different location in the book.
Stephen BoyceGUEST
14:14
But having this story about the three young men, Bel and the Dragon, that's only uniquely preserved within the Theodotion tradition.
Stephen BoyceGUEST
14:22
And he makes this comment, which I found really, really interesting.
Stephen BoyceGUEST
14:25
He talks about how the church particularly had chosen...

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