Barry Richmond

And that was a double loop shift, which we'll talk about a little bit more later on here, was my mental model of what was going on in that organization was inconsistent without the way the organization was actually working.

So I then tracked down an organization called High Performance Systems, which had Barry Richmond in it.

And it was an organization that focused on helping people apply systems thinking to complex issues.

And Barry was an instructor at Dartmouth College, and he'd worked with a lot of other individuals in the systems thinking space, including Donella Meadows, who did the Limits to Growth work in the past.