Barry Gardiner

The unfortunate thing is there's probably a lot of people out there who don't really know what Natural England is or does, but will just see it as this body that's imposing these, these mad things on these projects.

There was a clip on GB News, which I probably shouldn't have been watching recently, where Barry Gardiner, who's the backbench Labour MP who's on, on the Environment Audit Committee, he was, he was trying to defend some of this stuff, talking about how, how a millimeter of soil takes 10,000 years to get where it is, and people were just laughing at him in the audience.

It just feels like a really kind of quite worrying place to be.

I also saw that clip.

But they don't believe it.

And one thing, I, I work with one guy who's an MP, a Labor MP, uh, sometimes on GB News, uh, Barry Gardiner.

And-

Barry Gardiner-

Right

... yeah, Scottish.