Barbara Woodward

I mean, not everyone goes leaping, you know, sort of into a violation of Godwin's law in the first graph of an op-ed like that, but you've invented a unit of measure that sort of addresses the more typical way in which we kind of allow that moral panic or hysteria to creep in.

The Woodward scale, named for Dame Barbara Woodward, who was Britain's ambassador to Beijing in the second half of the 2010s.

Explain to the listeners what it measures, and tell me whether the readings... of that have gotten sort of worse over the years you've been doing this because you know this idea even if it was tongue-in-cheek to begin with it really did resonate with me and i've written about the same

phenomenon as you know right so um i once heard dame barbara woodward make a speech and it was it just struck me as being very Sensible, balanced, knowledgeable.

I've seen her make a speech at Cambridge University in Chinese as well.

So she really, you know, she knows the country and the civilization, the culture.