Mm.

And in Harlan County, it was a gun.

Uh, today, it's union busters and it's the police that help these huge corporations to hurt, to hurt workers.

If you're talking to somebody inside your warehouse about becoming part of a union at Amazon, you can get fired immediately, and the cops do anything the corporation says, and union busters are paid $15,000 a week, and Amazon in New York just put another, threw another 26 million in for union busting.

How would you describe what these services mean to people in terms of how, how we live our lives in, in 2026?

I think that these services of people delivering either your medication or, you know, food or huge packages that, you know, from Amazon, is everything to people.

Many people can't go out or don't wanna go out or, you know, just want something to come prepared.

But the people who deliver them are invisible.

And what has remained the same?

Well, In Harlan County, it was very different, the strategy and the tactics.

People fought and lived and died by their guns.

And if they didn't like what you were saying, there could be a price on your head.

And there was a price on my head for $5,000 to... to shoot me.

Not much money, but anyway.

And at the end of filming, one of the organizers came over to me and told me that.

I was in

What plan of action is everybody here looking for?

There was this guy who lived in New York City, and his name is Ray Rogers.

And Ray Rogers had a company known as Corporate Campaign.

And he came by one day and he said, I'm doing a campaign in Austin, Minnesota, and you should come and film it.

And that's how it started.

And I said, okay.

But actually, I was trying to do something that was a little different before that and having some great problems with it.

So what was one of the key scenes from this movie?

Talk about what has happened to labor in America.

Well, it's interesting because I guess I'm doing my third labor film now, and it's on modern-day labor, and it's the Teamsters UPS.

It's Amazon fighting, the workers fighting for a union.

It's the baristas with Starbucks, and it's the delivery-easters who are the people who deliver to you, you know, your noodle soup or...

Whatever.

And each one has just incredible stories.

The Deliver East is, unfortunately, I had to go to a funeral of one who was killed.

and

Say a word, if you will, about the vision this guy had to create this Sundance Film Festival.

This man is absolutely amazing.

He wanted people not to be silenced.

He wanted to have young people come, show their work, build a community, build ritual, make everything happen, and give an opportunity to thousands and thousands of young filmmakers to show their work.

And he cares about the environment.

He cares about people who are unjustly treated.

He had an institute, which the institute had different writers and filmmakers and editors and young people would come and study under them.

Speaking of people who are unjustly treated, where, how, when did you get the notion to bring us American Dream back in 91?