Barbara Humpton

Absolutely.

And that creates the curiosity that, for instance, Barbara Humpton, when she was on, she's the former, at the time she was the CEO of Siemens USA, but she came on the podcast and she said, you know, the curiosity is the absolute number one personality trait that she looks for.

Looks for.

You know, for that matter, Todd Wannick from Ashley Furniture Industries, when he was on, said the same thing.