Aztec crashed saucer hoax
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Oct 1, 2026
Wendy GarrettHOST
Scott Ramsey has been researching this thing for over 30 years.
Wendy GarrettHOST
How could anybody have fallen for the hoax thing, the Aztec UFO incident? Real quick, what's your background? How'd you get started?
Scott RamseyGUEST
Visiting a customer in the Four Corners area back in 86.
Scott RamseyGUEST
And sitting around on a Friday night, we were testing a big generator.
Scott RamseyGUEST
And for him to go from hero to zero all in a period of less than three years because the military stepped in and said, well, this is a non-event.
Scott RamseyGUEST
We'll make it disappear.
Wendy GarrettHOST
Again, we're talking about the Aztec UFO incident.
Wendy GarrettHOST
And my guest, Scott Ramsey, Suzanne Ramsey, is also in on this as well.
Michael RyanHOST
It is the third and final book on the Aztec incident, which was covered by over 30 years of investigation.
Michael RyanHOST
Now, I know there's a lot of controversy about the Aztec UFO crash.
Michael RyanHOST
All I can say, Frank really believed it.
Michael RyanHOST
I had conversations with him about it.
Suzanne RamseyGUEST
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Jesse MichelsHOST
Welcome to Aztec, Roswell's younger, weirder, scarlet-lettered sister.
Jesse MichelsHOST
It might be the most overlooked crash in UFO history.
speaker_2GUEST
Some people were talking about it in the news.
Suzanne RamseyGUEST
[whooshing sound]
Jesse MichelsHOST
But for reasons we'll get into, very few people, even many diehard UFO believers, wanna touch it.
Matthew ZadokosGUEST
Aztec was the first case that was written about.
Matthew ZadokosGUEST
It was viciously, viciousously smeared.
James FoxGUEST
Like it, you always suspect it, but to have that level of confirmation by that level of person on camera, wow, that was an incredible moment in my career.
James FoxGUEST
It was like, oh my God, all these things that we've been hearing at Roswell and Kingman, Arizona and Aztec and Virginia and just all this stuff, it's like, this changes everything.
James FoxGUEST
If you think about it, because people often ask me, they're like, why do I keep pushing? What's wrong with you? You're just obsessed.
James FoxGUEST
And I say to them, well, imagine...
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Alex JonesHOST
images that we now see with our eyes are depicted in even cave drawings and in medieval tapestries and Babylonian carvings, Aztec temples.
Alex JonesHOST
And then you see Trump talking about rolling out zero technologies, the discombobulator, you know, all these other systems.
Alex JonesHOST
And you see his head scientist last year come out.
Robert SpearingGUEST
So, Gene, what was your comment going to be?
Gene SteinbergHOST
So how many genuine, quote unquote, crashes have there been? Don't tell me Aztec New Mexico.
Gene SteinbergHOST
No.
Robert SpearingGUEST
OK, well, actually, Greg Sisco, our historians researching that now, Aztec is either a hoax or it's a misinterpretation of another event is what I believe are the two possibilities.
Robert SpearingGUEST
There probably was not an actual Aztec crash.
Robert SpearingGUEST
It may be a retelling of Roswell or, you know, Frank Scully was like crucified that it was a hoax.
Robert SpearingGUEST
And to be perfectly honest, I couldn't tell you whether it's a hoax or whether it's a uh misidentified other case all right but i don't think aztec was an actual case that's my my opinion
Gene SteinbergHOST
Yep.
Michael RyanHOST
After that, he moved back to New Mexico, where he taught journalism at the New Mexico State University for 30 years, where he is professor emeritus.
Michael RyanHOST
Frank is the author of several books, including Magic in the Desert, The Whispering Darkness, and The Aztec UFO Incident, which he co-authored with Scott and Suzanne Ramsey.
Michael RyanHOST
Frank, welcome to the podcast.
Michael RyanHOST
Glad to be here, Mike.
Frank ThayerGUEST
It had to be real.
Frank ThayerGUEST
And everything started exploding.
Frank ThayerGUEST
But I wasn't part of it until I read William Steinman's book on flying saucers, the UFO crash at Aztec, a well-kept secret.
Frank ThayerGUEST
And I had a website at that time.
JohnHOST
I believe New Mexico, um, not Roswell.
JohnHOST
What happened, Aztec.
JohnHOST
I think if it wasn't Aztec, it was another one in New Mexico from the late '40s where they actually built around a craft.
JohnHOST
Now, back to the seeing this technology.
JohnHOST
Uh, you're right when you said can they see possible outcomes.
Simon BownHOST
Although the history of crash retrievals included descriptions of the flight crew, most of the top UFO researchers avoided stories of crashed saucers.
Simon BownHOST
This goes back to the original tale of the UFO crash near Aztec, New Mexico, which was debunked almost as soon as the story appeared.
Simon BownHOST
The Aztec case appeared in Frank Scully's 1950 book, Behind the Flying Saucers.
Simon BownHOST
The story was that the object had crashed near the tiny New Mexico town of Aztec in March 1948.
Simon BownHOST
The craft and the bodies of the flight crew were recovered by the military.
Simon BownHOST
In the original story, the flight crew was described as being dressed in 1890s-style earth clothing and having perfect teeth and brown skin, which might have been the result of their exposure to Earth's atmosphere.
Simon BownHOST
J.P. Kahn invested the case for true, meeting with the primary sources and was allowed to examine several small pieces of metal that were said to have come from the wrecked saucer.
Simon BownHOST
Analysis proved the metal was commonly found on Earth.
Michael SallaHOST
They actually go back earlier in time to 1933, which is the earliest documented case of ufo crash retrieval operations that are known to exist because these were official fascist era documents that revealed the existence of this flying saucer crash and the efforts to study it in a study group that was set up under the leadership of giuliano marconi benito mussolini the prime minister of italy authorized the creation of that group to study these crashed UFOs or that particular crash UFO and then later when fascist Italy and Nazi Germany reached their agreement in 1938 then soon after that you had Germany and Italy becoming full-time partners in the study and reverse engineering of flying saucers and that predated Roswell by over a decade So now we get to the next level, level three, meetings and agreements with non-human intelligence.
Michael SallaHOST
there have been official meetings and agreements with non-human intelligence by political and military officials one of the earliest involved president truman and a surviving occupant of a crashed ufo at aztec new mexico in 1948 who was hosted for one year before his departure so most people are familiar with the roswell crash in 1947 where there were Bodies recovered.
Michael SallaHOST
But in 1948, there was another crash in Aztec New Mexico.
Michael SallaHOST
And this time, there were a number of living extraterrestrials that were recovered, and one of them was an adult.
Michael SallaHOST
The others were essentially infants.
Michael SallaHOST
And the information we have about that crashed UFO from Aztec reveals that the adult was a guest of the Truman administration for over a year and that after that year, when he left to return after some agreement had been reached, he left the babies or the infants and there were three of them left them with the United States to be raised as adults so that's the so-called drop-off program where you have extraterrestrials dropping off infant extraterrestrials to be raised as humans because they look very similar to us but of course these infinite extraterrestrials had abilities that would make them very very desirable by military intelligence officials for their classified programs.
Michael SallaHOST
And this didn't just happen in the United States.
Michael SallaHOST
Truman was told that the same thing was being done in the Soviet Union at the time.