And now they're going to come forward? What information do you think they have that they're going to finally reveal?

Well, thanks for having me.

This is the most important question because we did hear from whistleblowers that testified under oath in Congress, most notably David Grush, who said that the government not only had programs for retrieval and reverse engineering of materials, and they had a lot of information, they have intact spacecraft that are being held in some places, dozens of them.

And whether this is real or not, whether the information represents reality depends on the facts on the ground.

And obviously, people who are worried about the nondisclosure agreements were not able until now to come forward and provide all the information, including those people who spoke before Congress.

So we definitely know about such people, and they were saying that they have these restrictions, legal repercussions that they're worried about.

Now, at least a significant fraction of those repercussions are removed.

When would we learn the information that they share?

Like, he didn't see it himself.

Well, thanks for having us.

Um, my, uh, uh, I haven't seen the evidence.

It's all about the evidence.

And it's possible that there is a retrieval and reverse engineering program within government of, uh, uh, ma- materials from crash sites, from adversarial nations.

That, that's very reasonable.

We have to see the proof.

Avi, do you think they know what it is? In other words, do you think that they- the government has proof this is clear alien spacecraft or life, or it's just misidentified natural Earth phenomena, you know, advanced technology? Do you think they have a conclusion?

Ah.

Uh, it's just that we haven't n- uh, realized that.

And the, the reason is obvious.

You know, we had only one century of modern science, uh, since the discovery of quantum mechanics.

Uh, most stars are billions of years older than the sun.

They had plenty of time to develop technology and science well beyond our understanding.

We recognize that 95% of the mass budget of the universe is unknown to us.

Is there a plan in place to try to communicate with these things, or we, we know that there's a communication system, we just don't have the ability to know what that is or appreciate what it is, we don't have the technology?

How practical is that? How feasible is that? Can you explain that, how that works?

Yeah.

So this is a solution to Albert Einstein's equations of gravity, which regard gravity as, um, curvature of spacetime.

So the way to think of this, we know the Earth moves around the sun, uh, and we tend to think that there is a force, gravity, connecting the Earth to the sun.

However, another way to think of it, which was Einstein's, um, insight, was to think about a marble moving, uh, on a trampol- the surface of a trampoline, the, the rubber surface, which is curved as a result of putting a, a heavy object in the middle.

Um, and so, um, like a, a bowling ball, okay? You put in the middle, and then the c- s- and then if you give, uh, the marble the right, uh, speed, it will move on this curved, uh, rubber in a circle, uh, just like the Earth moves around the sun.

And it's simply because of the curvature of spacetime that the Earth is trying to go along a straight line, but the spacetime is curved, and therefore it moves, uh, in, in a circle.

So because, because light speed is the limit, so this is a way around the light speed limit.

Yeah.

You know, we, we might have a drone from the Chinese or a balloon.

I mean, we, we shot down a Chinese spy balloon in 2023.

Or we might see some, uh, alien technologies in our sky and, you know, both, both ways it's a win-win situation to explore it scientifically.

But for some reason, this is not a, a, a popular subject within science.

I, I see it as an opportunity to bring science to the public and, you know, parents were telling me that, uh, when their, their kids, uh, saw me on television they, they are now, uh, inspired of becoming a scientist.

Yeah.

Uh, and, and a couple of them were quite, uh, unusual, anomalous, and I talked about it.

So what'd you think of the release? Was it anything new? Was it the same old stuff? You tell me.

Well, thanks for having me.

Um, this release is different than the previous ones, uh, because, uh, the most interesting information is actually in the verbal, uh, testimonies that, uh, we can read the, from some of the files, and there are three quite remarkable ones.

Uh, you mentioned the, uh, giant triangle.

It's actually 500 feet in, uh, size.

That's bigger than any aircraft ever built.

Uh, the biggest is, uh, about, uh, 358, uh, uh, uh, feet.

I also thought it was really interesting, um, a lot of these artist renderings of the things that people saw in this new batch, I don't know how credible it is, but your thoughts on that.

What stands out to you in this new batch of UFO files? I see you smiling.

Uh, this, uh, fifth tranche of, uh, UAP data that was released today, uh, is different from, uh, past releases, uh, because, uh, there are three remarkable anomalies that are delivered, uh, in verbal testimonies rather than, uh, digital data in the form of imagery or video as we have seen before.

In fact, uh, I first, uh, tried to look for those, uh, images or videos, but they were quite disappointing.

Uh, instead, the three remarkable testimonies are as follows.

One of them, uh, is talking about, uh, a gun ship that, uh, on September 2021, uh, was, uh, conducting a, a, a live, uh, fire exercise in the Gulf of Oman, and they noticed 25 instances of unidentified objects that looked like cold orbs, and they appeared to react to the aircraft firing and were moving together, uh, just like dolphins, uh, at the speed of, uh, up to 1.7 times the speed of sound.

Uh, so it could be a very unusual swarm of drones, but, uh, at that speed, you know, it's really difficult to understand them, uh, in terms of known technologies.

Um, then, uh, there is a second report, uh, which talks about, uh, an analog, uh, clock that, uh, went faster by 20 minutes relative to two digital clocks after an encounter with an unidentified, uh, anomalous phenomena.

So do you think any of these newly released materials will cut through some of the skepticism out there?

[laughs]

... and refer to that.

But you don't want to do that.

You just want to attack, uh, and, and you look for an excuse.

And that is part of the reality of social media, you know, that is very disappointing.

And i- if you thought that this represents a small minority of the people interested in the subject, no, it actually is a vast majority.

It's a huge number of people that just respond superficially and do not attend to primary sources.

Yeah.

So how did it come about? How were you approached? And what's the sort of goal of the Advisory Council?

Yeah, so a representative from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence came to my home after coordinating the meeting with me, along with the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office in the Pentagon, and they asked me whether I'm willing to establish and lead the UAP Science Advisory Council to the U.S. government, and that includes organizations like ODNI, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, AERO in the Pentagon, the FBI, the White House, and the intelligence community.

The question was easy to answer because they had me at hello, so to speak, because that is my main challenge these days to figure out the nature of these objects.

You know, we're dealing with phenomena that are not fully understood by the Pentagon or the intelligence agencies.

And if they are technological phenomena, not natural objects, there are two possibilities.

Either they're human-made or not human-made.

And if they are human-made, then they pose a national security threat because they appear near strategic assets.

And so the data that you'll be working with, will that mostly be unclassified or will you have any access to the classified?

Walk us through how this came to be.

A representative from ODNI, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, offered a visit to my home.

He was connected to me from ERO, from the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, and I met with him and he asked whether I'm willing to lead an established council that will advise the U.S. government about the science related to unidentified anomalous phenomena.

And I obviously they had me at hello because this is a subject I've been working on with the Galileo project that I'm leading.

In fact, I just came from a meeting of the Galileo project a few minutes ago, and we are able to identify objects in terms of their distance, velocity, acceleration within that project.

And we are starting to see some anomalous objects.

So it's very exciting.

Avi, you shared with us what your mindset is, and certainly when you have 18 minds coming together on this UAP Science Advisory Council, not everyone's going to always agree, but at least you're in agreement in the mission?

So to demystify the search for intelligent alien life earlier tonight, I spoke with the man himself, Harvard astrophysicist, and our friend Avi Loeb about what is the main goal and what we can expect from this new UFO council.

The goal is to figure out the nature of unidentified anomalous phenomena, which is a serious matter because at the very least, if you have a down-to-earth approach, they represent human-made objects and they hover over strategic assets.

Therefore, they pose a national security threat.

We have to figure them out.

But, of course, there is a chance that perhaps one of them or some of them are not human-made, in which case it will be the biggest discovery ever made by humanity.

So it's a great scientific relevance.

And so...

What do you say to them?

It's hard to imagine that here we are today in June of 2026 and that forum took place.

You know, it's not so much about the audience and the fact that we discuss it in public and people comment on it on social media.

We need to keep our eyes on the orbs and figure them out.

And this is the beginning of a very interesting process because now the U.S. government is cooperating with scientists like myself and I feel privileged to serve the U.S. government in cracking down this mystery.

What is it that we are dealing with? Because There are two possibilities.

Either if these are technological objects, either they are human-made or non-human-made.

These are the two possibilities.

Can you kind of tell us about the team you've put together?

You're not just buying things on the surface.

No, no, not at all.

I mean, I'm completely open-minded and looking forward to the data to guide us.

But, you know, and I had no issue also with the vice president, J.D. Vance, saying that these UAPs are demons.

You know, anyone... can have their own explanation to the knowledge that we currently have about these phenomena.

I'm completely fine with that.

You can have believers, you can have skeptics, no problem whatsoever.

And I think you guys may have run out of time.

So can you take us there first off and let us know exactly from the horse's mouth what's happening, what's the group, and what's your role?

role?Yeah.

So the last, uh, week had, uh, three interesting events.

Uh, and, um, first on June, uh, 12th, um, uh, Steven Spielberg released his, uh, movie, uh, to the public, uh, Disclosure Day, and, uh, I went to see it.

But a few hours earlier, uh, I, I actually analyzed the real disclosure, the third batch that the, the US government released, and in it there was a report from the, the director of, uh, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office in the Pentagon, Dr. John Kozlowski, where he, uh, mentions an event, uh, that lasted two days in October 2023, where law enforcement officials saw unusual objects in the sky, uh, orbs, uh, that, uh, give birth to smaller orbs.

Uh, and, uh, the report mentioned that, um, uh, uh, 40% of the phenomena, uh, that were observed, uh, cannot be explained in to, in terms of human-made, uh, technologies, either from the US or what we know about adversarial nations.

So, uh, that is a remarkable document because you would expect, uh, if they thought that some of these or, or all of these objects are human-made, um, potentially they should have belonged to adversarial nations, then, um, this would have been a classified memo, uh, that Kozlowski sends, uh, to, to the Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth.

Do you believe the US government may be in possession of biologics or, or material of non-human origin?

You gotta go to him, but you gotta ask him, too, as a guy who's dedicated his life to this, if evidence was put in front of him right now today that aliens existed, what would that mean to him, his career, and his research? Well, here he is to talk about that right- So when they're up on Capitol Hill saying, you know, uh, we have access to four different body types of aliens, what, what do you th- say about that knowing all you know about the universe?

Yeah.

What I say, uh, my, uh, intuition is that we are unlikely to be visited by biological creatures.

But of course, I'll, uh, attend if, uh, to the evidence if I'm presented with the evidence.

Uh, it sounds very reasonable to me that there are retrieval and reverse engineering programs within government to, uh, look at, uh, aircraft or pilots, uh, from adversarial nations, you know, in battlefields, in, uh, regions of conflict.

And, uh, it's quite possible that the reports about retrieval of materials and pilots, uh, were misinterpreted.

The, you know, some people talked about alien pilots being from other nations with- on Earth, and somehow the rumor got, uh, around.

What would it mean to you personally if, if we did have concrete evidence, sir?

[chuckles] What did you see there that led you to hypothesize that it was non-human technology?

Yeah.

So the approach I take is, um, in the context, for example, of interstellar objects, those objects that arrive close to Earth from outside the solar system, and 'Oumuamua was the first one, uh, is to ask, uh, do they show anomalies? Do they look like the rocks or icebergs that are found in the solar system? And 'Oumuamua was quite different because the amount of sunlight reflected from it changed by a factor of 10 as it was tumbling every eight hours.

And that implied that it has an extreme shape, that the area, the surface area of the object which reflects the sunlight on the sky changes by a factor of 10 as it's spinning.

And just imagine a piece of paper tumbling in the wind.

Uh, the area of the piece of paper will...

You know, it needs to be really thin and straight in order for it to change by a factor of 10, the amount of area that you see in front of you.

My gosh

Mm.

And, uh, uh, you know, you might think that I'm, uh, approaching it, uh, from a perspective of an astrophysicist, but that's not true.

Actually, you know, um, I, I draw my lesson from, uh, going to the kitchen.

If I find, uh, an ant, a single ant on the, the kitchen, uh, cabinet, then I know, uh, that there should be thousands of them under the sink, and I'm very worried about it.

So when we shut down the Chinese spy balloon, you know, a few years ago, uh, probably the Chinese intelligence agencies were laughing 'cause we used a missile to shoot down one balloon, but they have many more that we are not aware of.

And so the question, you know, the, the down-to-earth, uh, uh, assumption would be to say all these orbs and unusual objects being, uh, uh, identif- uh, being noticed by, uh, military personnel near strategic, uh, assets of the US, uh, are actually human-made.

And, um, as a result, uh, i- if, uh, the intelligence agencies are telling us that they cannot figure those out, if the Pentagon cannot really, uh, identify the, the senders of these gadgets...

Yeah.

say that? What's about the way they're moving and separating? Why do you think it could be a Chinese drone?

Well, we are looking at orbs and the simplest interpretation is that there might be drones that are, for example, releasing baby drones out of them, smaller ones.

I'm not sure how feasible that is.

Now, the all the main anomaly resolution office led by John Koslowski, you know, looked into the report from 2023 and in fact, analyzed it in great detail.

And He wrote a full letter, memo about it in this release from a week ago, from the 5th of June.

He says that 40% of the phenomena cannot be explained based on what they know, based on technologies the U.S. possesses.

and the technologies that foreign adversaries possess.

What do you make of that Starbase audio?

Can you explain to our audience how big of a breakthrough that is?

Uh, thanks for having me, Jesse.

Um, well, first I should say that life is worth living when you treat it as a learning experience, uh, and that requires two things, uh, the curiosity to learn and also the humility to learn, uh, which not everyone has.

Now, AI helps our natural intelligence because it can deal with large data sets.

It can also learn from, uh, uh, previous data about, uh, the identity of objects, uh, such as airplanes, balloons, drones, satellites.

These are things we are familiar with, and the question is whether there are any outliers out there.

We have three observatories providing us data on millions of objects.

I mean, what are the characteristics that you're looking for and that this technology can pick up in a way that maybe it couldn't years ago?

Like, he didn't see it himself.

Well, thanks for having us.

I haven't seen the evidence.

It's all about the evidence.

And it's possible that there is a retrieval and reverse engineering program within government of materials from crash sites from adversarial nations.

That's very reasonable.

We have to see the proof.

Avi, do you think they know what it is? In other words, do you think that the government has proof this is clear alien spacecraft or life or it's just misidentified natural earth phenomena, you know, advanced technology? Do you think they have a conclusion?

Yeah.

There are thousands of new images of the moon that look so much better.

Uh, that's just an illustration.

Uh, of course, uh, one can even get better images than they got, uh, with the current, uh, cameras that ex- exist today, the digital cameras.

Back then it was, uh, films.

Uh, and so, um, um, that applies to all, uh, aspects of, uh, uh, detection, um, including, uh, uh, you know, in, uh, at all wavelengths and the all kinds of new sensors that were developed most recently, uh, and were, did, were, did not exist if you go back 70 years.

Um, so, uh, on the one hand we have better sensors so we can get more reliable data.

[laughs]

Um, this a real thing?

Well, thanks for having me.

I don't think it's very [laughs] likely to be a real thing.

I mean, it's possible the CIA or anyone else, uh, might have been curious about this question, but, uh, there is no scientific basis to, uh, lend any credibility to this possibility because first of all, you know, uh, for biological, uh, beings to travel, uh, interstellar distances, uh, it requires a very unusual genetic engineering 'cause we know that, you know, these trips, uh, even at the speed of light would take, uh, tens of thousands of years and, you know, they are very, uh, hazardous, uh, because of bombardment by cosmic rays.

You know, humans cannot survive for more than a few years on, uh, Mars or the Moon without-

Is there, is there a genetic marker that peop- you could search for potentially?

Yeah, I mean, about the origin of our species, you know, of course, uh, there could be, uh, paths that led to humans that, uh, are not fully recognized.

That definitely is possible, and you could have also markers within the DNA that indicate, uh, some, uh, uh, effect, uh, of transfer of life from, let's say, Mars to Earth, uh, b- what is called panspermia.

Mm.

It also came in the plane of the, uh, planets around the sun to within five degrees, and the chance of that is, uh, one in 500.

Let me just move on to show you some of the, um, uh, anomalies of 3I/ATLAS.

I'm jumping over many other things that we can discuss later.

But, um, uh, so this is what I already showed you.

Uh, the one unusual thing is that it had deuterium, which is a fuel for fusion.

As you know, deuterium and tritium are the best, uh, constituent for fueling fusion.

Ah.

Do we expect to learn anything from these documents this morning?

Well, the documents were already released.

So it's not a question for the future.

It's a question for the present.

And I've been going through them.

There is a lot of information there.

But I already found two interesting tidbits that I can mention.

does that mean that you think there is the potential to find something interesting in this? Or do you feel that everything can be explained somehow?

Like, what is young Avi thinking about on that farm? What was that like?

The most fundamental questions about our existence, 'cause I thought, you know, we all die, what's the point, you know? Uh, if we don't understand why we are here and what the purpose of our existence is and what kind of inspiring, uh, um, themes we should advocate, uh, for during our life, then what's the point of living? Um, you know, just think about the fact that we will all not be here, you know, in, in 100 and something years at most.

Um, and, uh, that's what fascinated me, and I, um, uh, I was really interested in the big picture.

Um, but I, at the same time I collected eggs every afternoon, uh, I had a very strong connection to nature, and, um, I really love nature because, uh, it's not always kind to us.

Um, you know, Earth itself went through catastrophes, but, uh, there is nothing, uh, uh, you know, bad in, in, in the way that nature operates.

There is no intention the way you find with people.

And so I really used to go to, um, the hills of the village and read philosophy books there, uh, embedded within nature.

Mm.