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It could definitely be a variant of Vision, but...

But I don't think it's the same Vision from Vision Quest because I believe, like I talked about yesterday, he's going to be a part of the West Coast Avengers in Avengers Doomsday and Secret Wars.

And in Secret Wars specifically, he's going to be looking for Wanda.

I think this is probably Ultron.

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Actually a part of what we've been hearing about Avengers Doomsday's ending, why it's actually worse than Avengers Infinity War.

Because if you think about it, in Infinity War, the Avengers lose.

What a dream.

If he could get that somehow, because it's similar to something that happened in the comics in the early portion of the Avengers.

Behold the vision, if I'm not mistaken.

So that's something that I look forward to seeing play out there.

And also, I think the Tommy story, going back and thinking about how he came to fruition, and I know as somebody who was an Agatha all along head, I'm sure you had to love how Tommy was introduced into the proceedings of these things.

Yes, absolutely.

And, I mean, I'm a young Avengers head, so I've been waiting for this for forever.

So, an absolute thrill.

"A preview of what, Chris?" I hear you cry.

Well, Vision Quest, of course, which starts its eight-episode run on Disney+ tomorrow, and is very much a sequel to WandaVision, the show which saw Paul Bettany's android Avenger, Vision, who died in Avengers: Infinity War, brought back to life in what turned out to be a sitcom-style simulation powered by Elizabeth Olsen's grief-stricken Wanda Maximoff.

Turns out, of course, that this Vision wasn't real, but the version of him that flew into the town of Westview towards that show's end, rebuilt from Vision's original body by the shadowy government organization, SWORD, most certainly was.

And after a battle of wits and wills and, you know, lasers and stuff, it was that Vision who flew away into the night, and it's that Vision who we follow throughout Vision Quest.

Helping him along the path to becoming a more human non-human are a series of Tony Stark helper AIs who live inside Vision's mind palace, including the likes of Jarvis, Friday, and Edith, and possibly a mysterious young man, a real boy called Thomas Shepherd, who may or may not be somehow the living manifestation of Wanda and Vision's fictional son, Tommy.

It's, it's complicated.

It's very, very complicated, and it's going to get even more complicated as Vision has to deal with all kinds of developments and colorful antagonists, including a mysterious mercenary played by Todd Stashwick, and Ultron, Vision's father of sorts, who, it turns out, Vision did not kill at the end of Avengers: Age of Ultron.

Instead, he showed him clemency and has stored him away in his mind palace, which doesn't seem like a good idea, but you never know.

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Some big Marvel theories about Avengers Doomsday might have just been confirmed by Marvel and what they did at New York Comic Con.

This might tie into one of the post-credit scenes that just released for Avengers Endgame Encore.

And this might tie into the theory that a lot of people have that Doctor Doom There might be more than one, and that Robert Downey Jr.'s Doctor Doom might not be the main Doctor Doom or the only Doctor Doom.

Spoiler alert for myself, I think he is the only one, but we'll get into that in just a bit.

And when he's just like, you're an Avenger? Have I killed you before? It's like, that was amazing.

So...

They obviously set it up to where Kang has fought many Avengers and defeated pretty much probably all of them before because he talks about killing many Avengers so many that the names blur together.

But today, I want to lay down an idea and a thought.

I think Yelena Belova is going to be the heart of the Avengers, and I don't just mean that because I love the character.

I've had this episode sitting in the back of my mind for a while now, and after going back through Black Widow, Hawkeye, great Christmas watch by the way, and especially Thunderbolts, or the new Avengers, or whatever the hell we're officially [laughs] supposed to call this damn movie now, I think Marvel has quietly been building Yelena into something much bigger than just Natasha Romanoff's replacement.

I think she's becoming the emotional center of the next generation of Avengers.

And apparently I might not be completely insane here because Kevin Feige recently said that Yelena plays a big part in Avengers: Doomsday, and a recent V- Vanity Fair profile on Florence Pugh said that Feige has hinted that Doomsday will actually be anchored by her character.

That's huge.

So let's talk about how the hell we got here, because Yelena's journey through the MCU has actually been incredibly consistent, and I don't think we're talking about it enough, to be honest with you.

I think she just seizes that opportunity, and eventually she listens to Clint, and that's important.

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We're Todd and Amber, Marvel fans, creative collaborators and two people who thought Avengers Endgame felt like a pretty definitive ending.

Exactly, it did.

It's right there in the title, Endgame.

And more specifically, what happens to the legacy of characters like Tony Stark and Steve Rogers when the MCU keeps revisiting the world they helped build?

We're kind of curious, does returning to those stories strengthen what came before? Or does it risk diminishing the sacrifices and lessons that made those stories matter in the first place?

Today, we're talking about Avengers Endgame Encore, what it might mean for the legacy of the original Avengers, and why saying goodbye to characters we love is sometimes harder than we'd like to admit.

We'll also be discussing some speculation and fan theories, so consider this your second spoiler warning for rumors, theories, and our own wildly unqualified predictions.

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Marvel is out here revealing new scenes for Avengers: Doomsday in some weird ways, but I gotta say I'm here for it.

For example, on Marvel's official Instagram account, they posted this reel that sa- it starts off with, "Countdown to Avengers: Doomsday.

Product reveal week, starting later today." And it's already started by the time I'm recording this video.

And they've actually given us some pretty big reveals with some of these products, including the Fantastic Four, or at least three-fourths of the Fantastic Four, fighting Doctor Doom.

We've already seen that in the trailer.

We've already seen Sue Storm and Namor, right? So The Thing, we've already seen him in Wakanda as well.

So this isn't with the Avengers versus the X-Men fight scene.

Honest, back with you with some thoughts.

Avengers Endgame Encore came out.

and i did my reaction episode but man my brain has been all over that thing up and down so i kind of had to get here on the mic and talk about some of the things i've been thinking about talking about and as you probably have seen by the title this has to do a lot with loki so if you haven't seen those post-credit scenes or the ending of endgame encore i'd Turn away now if you don't want spoilers.

But if you've already learned or have seen the new ending and the post-credit scenes, I'd stick around because I got some pretty cool stuff to say.

Okay, I think I finally figured out what has been bothering me in a good way about the new scenes from Avengers Endgame Encore.

Because we've all been talking about them individually.

Why is Loki at Steve Rogers house? Why does Dr.

Doom want Bruce Banner, our Bruce Banner specifically? What's happening at the TVA? Why are we watching Doom Forge's mask? But I don't think those are four completely separate questions.