Athari

And the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam asked a, uh, deaf and mute, uh, girl, slave girl, "Ain Allah?" Hadith is in Sahih Muslim.

"Where is Allah?" She couldn't say anything, so she used her finger and she pointed upwards, fis-sama, basically in the heavens, okay? So the Athari creed, Ibn Taymiyyah and that strand, they basically say, "We say what the Quran and Sunnah says, Allah is above us, and we leave it at that." The Quran and Sunnah use language that implies Allah is above us.

The other strand, the Ash'ari strand, they will say, "If you say that Allah has a direction, this implies that Allah is a spatial incorporated body because only bodies that have space have directions." So two objects here, in order to have direction relation to each other, you have to have a body, above, below, right, and left, right? To have a direction, you need to have a, a spatial dimension and the two have a relationship with each oth- each other.

So if X, then Y.

"Coach, I know you study philosophy.

What do you think about Athar, Athari Aqidah, Athari Aqidah, which rejects philosophy in Islam? Text only.

May Allah bless you." Um, I think that's a, a major misunderstanding, okay? Why do they reject, uh...

I'm not familiar with your...

I think you mean Athari, okay? Um, look, they don't reject philosophical thinking.

It's not possible, okay? Let me tell you why.

The word has come to change meaning, okay? Some Muslims, okay...

Believe me, every which argument for somebody to say that reason is wrong or bad or haram, they're shooting themselves in the foot.

And the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam asked a, uh, deaf and mute, uh, girl, slave girl, "Ain Allah?" Hadith is in Sahih Muslim.

"Where is Allah?" She couldn't say anything, so she used her finger and she pointed upwards, "Fi samaa," basically, in the heavens, okay? So the Athari creed, Ibn Taymiyyah and that strand, they basically say, "We say what the Quran and Sunnah says, Allah is above us, and we leave it at that." The Quran and Sunnah use language that implies Allah is above us.

The other strand, the Ash'ari strand, they will say, "If you say that Allah has a direction, this implies that Allah is a spatial incorporated body because only bodies that have space have directions." So two objects here, in order to have direction relation to each other, you have to have a body, above, below, right and left, right? To have a direction, you need to have a, a spatial dimension and the two have a relationship with each oth- each other.

So if X, then Y.

So, so this, this is the first analogy, and then second analogy I would, uh, come to, even the people who knew the Arabic, they were also very much, uh, v- very much distributed on the understanding of Quran.

Even if we take the Ash'ari, uh, and, uh, the, uh, Athari creed, and also Salafi.

Salafi believes that, uh, God literally have, uh, the physical hands and legs, and, uh, uh, the, it seem...

So everybody have their different understanding, uh, on the Quranic verses.

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Um, you know what I did? I just watched one of the livestreams or interviews with, uh, Mohammed Hijab, and he's developed, um, you know, and talking about something really important and really good, which is, like, there is an emotional element and a, like, an emotional hatred that's been stoked between essentially, uh, we can say Athari-leaning, Salafi, um, leaning, and Ash'ari leaning and Sufi leaning types.

It's, uh, an e- like, an emotional, uh ...

And it's not just the ikhtilaf.

That's why Sayyiduna Imam Al-Ghazali, oftentimes what he's referring to is the fanaticism towards opinions.

And some people say, "Oh, we don't like you to say Hanbali.

Just say Athari." It is.

Athari can be different types.