You cannot get one single answer.

Um, yeah.

No, completely.

It, and, and it wasn't actually even until I moved to London just a little over four years ago that I met, like, other people who called themselves leather dykes.

And at that point, sort of, like, I hadn't even really realized that it was an option.

I didn't re- even really know that, like, there was a leather dyke community.

Like, I remember before and into the early years of me coming out, which was in 2017, 2018, yeah, 2017, I, I had just assumed at that point, oh, okay, well, I w- I'm a woman now, which means there isn't really, like, um, uh, this, this leath- this gay leather comm- this gay leather scene that I find so compelling, I guess there isn't really a space for me in it.

[laughs]