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... maybe a portion for all that fun insurance stuff.

Um, and, uh, uh, then ended up getting bought by a, a insurance company called Assurant.

Spent a long time there.

Uh, worked for the, the most hum- awesome human being ever, Carla Schott.

But, but in that very enterprise way, once you put that check in there, like it never leaves, right?

Yeah.

So I, I used to look at transformation, I did some of it back at Assurant and DRMS too, as, as like surgery, right? Right? Uh, go remove the scar tissue.

That stuff builds up.

And I worked with him for 10 years at the Jefferson Group, managing the healthcare practice.

It's there that I was representing eHealth, HealthEquity, Ceridian, Aetna, uh, Assurant, a, a, a variety of healthcare clients, all of whom sort of agreed not o- not only on the f- refundable tax credits for the uninsured, but also this idea of updating the Archer MSA law.

Right.

I first got exposed to Uh, John Goodman and the Archer MSA concept in like '93 when we were debating HillaryCare.

Yeah

... weren't growing very fast.

And a company called, uh, Fortis Health, which later became Assurant, was headquartered in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, came to us and said, "We, we need to make updates to the Archer MSA law." And I said, "Great.

Well, why don't you write out the, the things that y- need to be changed and, and give them to me?" So they made 14 suggested changes.

So it was about a six-year tenure there with that organization.

And then I had another two-year stint with a company called Assurant, another CRA, from 2018 to 2021.

So I've had a good bit of exposure to the background of the industry and all the things that go along with it.

So it's kind of interesting to me because you and I have both been in the drug testing business for decades now.

That's a lot of illegality, right? And then also, this is a great detail.

This is sort of off to the side, but there was a whole lot of insurance products that were then set up by other insurance firms, which were Prudential and Assurant, right? And three whistleblowers from Prudential actually brought that fraud to light separately to Wells Fargo, right? Guess what happened to those three whistleblowers? Did they lose their job, Charles? Yeah, they were sacked.

They were sacked,

yes.

And then also there w- [laughs] this is a great detail.

Like, this is sort of off to the side, but there was a whole lot of insurance products that were then set up by other insurance firms, and w- uh, which were Prudential and Assurant, right? And three whistleblowers from Prudential actually brought that fraud to light separately to Wells Fargo, right? Uh, guess what happened to those three whistleblowers?

Did they lose their jobs, Charles?

Charles?That, yeah, that was sacked