It's like giving people an understanding of the risks of not knowing HR and and the laws because where Australia probably has the worst laws and regulations for businesses in terms of employees like you're literally just if you're a business you're just a slave to people is my opinion um and so understanding HR is is really important and why don't you give us a bit of a background on yourself um and kind of how you became an expert in this

Yeah, for sure.

I mean, experts are big call, but I think I have been in HR kind of my whole career and have straddled kind of really generalist roles and in-house like learning and capability development, leadership development.

And so throughout that time, I've kind of worked in a whole range of Industries, business sizes, everything kind of have seen a really broad spectrum.

It was when I went into a startup that was like, oh, we're big enough now.

We're ready for HR.

Kind of for a lot of small businesses, it feels like a bit of a milestone.

So if the team member, the employee has a positive relationship with the leader you're saying, whether it be the founder or the CEO or their manager or whatever.