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Ash Smith

Ash Smith

Aug 21, 2026

4:39
For him, the problem is not only performance, it's structure.
4:43
We all of us have to drink water, use water, use the toilet, and we can't go to another company and say we're gonna go to another one.
4:50
We can't do that.
4:51
They are monopoly companies.
4:52
They're exploiting us.
8:17
Anger erupted in many corners, including Ash Smith from WASP.
8:25
There's been no competition.
8:27
The competition has all been about how much money can we extract.
8:30
How much money can we pay ourselves? Those ludicrous bonuses that the water industry says you have to pay to get the right standard of chief executive.
8:40
And they've had the right standard of chief executive, apparently, for Thames Water for the last however many years.
8:45
And they've driven the company off a cliff.
8:48
And they're now using that cliff hanging situation to blackmail the government into making customers pay even more for it.
7:58
He gives the company a modicum of credit for its map.
8:05
They were the first company to put out the sewage map.
8:09
They're going to like me saying this, I know that.
8:11
They put out the sewage map and they did it very honestly with honest colours.
8:16
Green, amber and red.
8:18
Whereas with some of the other water companies, you're getting like a colour chart of vague shades of purple meaning different things.
8:25
You have to guess that by... by kind of spending half a day with grid references.
7:30
Today, public perception of the River Thames is at a fresh low, fuelled in part by Dirty Business, the Channel 4 docudrama which follows the investigations of Peter Hammond and Ash Smith.
7:43
Illegal pollution is profitable.
7:45
Thames Water is not an exception in adopting that.
7:48
They've all done it.
7:49
All the water companies act like this.
7:52
They are dumping untreated sewage for months on end.
7:56
Months.

8 MINS LATER

16:23
Ash believes that the River Thames itself gets off relatively lightly.
7:58
He gives the company a modicum of credit for its map.
8:05
They were the first company to put out the sewage map.
8:09
They're going to like me saying this, I know that.
8:11
They put out the sewage map and they did it very honestly with honest colours.
8:16
Green, amber and red.
8:18
Whereas with some of the other water companies, you're getting like a colour chart of vague shades of purple meaning different things.
8:25
You have to guess that by... by kind of spending half a day with grid references.
7:30
Today, public perception of the River Thames is at a fresh low, fuelled in part by Dirty Business, the Channel 4 docudrama which follows the investigations of Peter Hammond and Ash Smith.
7:43
Illegal pollution is profitable.
7:45
Thames Water is not an exception in adopting that.
7:48
They've all done it.
7:49
All the water companies act like this.
7:52
They are dumping untreated sewage for months on end.
7:56
Months.

8 MINS LATER

16:23
Ash believes that the River Thames itself gets off relatively lightly.
Kate LambleADVERTISER
14:20
I'm Kate Lamble, and from Understand from BBC Radio 4, this is Rinsed.
14:26
Last time I was here, there was a tampon and there was a condom.
Kate LambleADVERTISER
14:40
Uncovered by ordinary folk taking on powerful people.
14:45
And they told me, "There's nothing wrong with the River Windrush.
14:49
Basically, go away and stop troubling us."
15:00
Am I proud of what we've achieved? Yes.
15:03
Um, I agree.
15:04
We don't do chest-beating like gorillas, but we appreciate being appreciated.
15:09
We're proud of what we've done.
15:10
We've always been honest.
15:12
We've always told the truth.
15:14
You know, we've never exaggerated.
15:47
Their dream now is to be released from that obligation, to return to the retirements they planned, enjoying the river rather than fighting for it.
5:13
Through Westminster and across newsrooms, striking a chord with people around the country.
5:22
The moment for me is when I'm travelling down in the car and it's a dark, stormy evening, I think.
5:28
And I'm listening to radio and it's radio for comedy, The Now Show.
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5:40
You remember Moses, the guy who partied the Red Sea and then filled the gap with sewage.
5:47
And I thought, wow, because if you can make that joke to a national public audience and expect enough of them to know about it to be able to know why that's funny, that means we've got it.
1:04
It probably would've been if it wasn't for his neighbor, Peter Hammond.
1:10
I didn't realize that my neighbor was a talented mathematician, data analyst, uh, with expertise in being able to deal with millions of lines of data that for me are like a complete and utter mystery.
1:25
They're not for him.

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10:04
I was amazed that he had the nerve to do it and that they didn't stop him.
10:08
I thought it was a perfectly normal thing to do.
10:10
[laughs] You know, he thinks it's perfectly normal to take a, a billion numbers and turn them into a picture.
10:17
I think it's perfectly normal to do what I think is right in the public interest, even if it might, might be a bit of an uncomfortable moment.

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