Um, what, what got you into starting an agency?

Yeah, that's a really good question.

I, uh, I always kinda wanted to have my own business from, I think even as I was, as I was a kid, you know, putting the, uh, lawnmower in the, in the wagon and going house to house to mow lawns and make some money.

[chuckles] So I always enjoyed that idea and, um, I remember actually, uh, taking a job real early on in my career where the general manager at the company, as I was bringing, as I was being brought in, said something that really stuck with me.

He said, "You know, your, uh, job satisfaction isn't our job here." And I thought to myself, "Hmm, that really puts it on me to enjoy what I'm doing and to make my own space here and to make what I'm doing." And I think af- that was really helpful.

After that, I kinda looked at everywhere I worked as I'm here on my terms.

I'm here because I wanna be here, and if I'm not, I'm gonna leave.

Mm-hmm.