Army Council

Right.

Plus, I would like to ask your experts here, if the people, good people of Portadown have been left traumatized and fearful this week, in the last 11 days actually, when they look across and see convicted terrorists, Army Council members, and what like dissidents over there, would they be quite right in doing civil disobedience if they block the Curvahee Road people from coming into Portadown town center-

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... as they're so traumatized by what they've seen? Would that be lawful?

Now, let me say, the reason that was given was the trauma and the fear that the children were going to suffer and the residents were going to suffer because of what happened in the past.

Now, how do the Portadown people feel when they look across and see the Army Council and con- and, and convicted, uh, and people convicted with involvement in bombing Portadown town center? Now, are they not traumatized or afraid? Should, should now, should the, the pe- people of Portadown say, "Well, sorry, the people from Garvaghy Road are not welcome in the town center anymore-

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... because you're traumatizing us"? Is that the way this is going to go?

But again, and it's the same with republicanism as well, because I think we need to be honest.

While the Army Council doesn't exist as the Army Council, well, basically, it still exists, albeit under a different name, a slightly different makeup, some slightly different individuals involved with it as well.

But it is still... patriarchal at its core.

And it's still, ironically enough, even has a couple of assets still knocking about in it.

Adams, for a fact.

He was in the Army Council.

And he denies it.

Of course he does.