I think one of the most common messages we get is from wives mostly about their partners and saying, "What can I do? What can I do to help them get on their journey to sobriety?" And there's not really an answer, is there?

I was gonna say, it's such a hard question to answer.

I think for our situation, I still don't know if there's anything I could have done better, and I asked Ashton, like, "What can I do?" But yeah, like you said before, just, just be there to listen, be there s- to support.

And yeah, I think our situations may be different because Ashton was never, like, a bad drunk.

He wasn't, like, aggressive or anything.

He'd just drink and drink and drink and drink and drink and go to sleep.

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Mm.