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Sep 24, 2026
Melanie MarloweHOST
I think that's super important.
Melanie MarloweHOST
And then finally, I've been lucky to spend a lot of time with a lot of Australians from both government and the private sector in the last few weeks, including at the ambassador's residence for the celebration of the 75th anniversary of the ANZUS Treaty, and the Defense Minister Richard Marles spoke and reiterated the importance of the United States-Australia alliance.
Melanie MarloweHOST
But I got to say, the most important person there was Courtney Stewart, Deputy Director of the Defense Program at ASPI, and a huge fan of the pod.
Chris PrebleHOST
Woo-hoo!
Andre GunawallaHOST
As Prime Minister, Mr. Turnbull worked with US Presidents Barack Obama and President Donald J. Trump, as well as Chinese President Xi Jinping.
Andre GunawallaHOST
Since leaving office, he has remained a prominent voice on Australian foreign policy, national security, technology, and the future of the U.S.-Australia alliance.
Andre GunawallaHOST
Mr. Turnbull, I really appreciate you coming on and making the time.
Andre GunawallaHOST
Thank you for joining me.
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Andre GunawallaHOST
Yeah.
Andre GunawallaHOST
And I mean, if that's going to be the normal transmission now, I mean, it seems like Canberra can no longer assume that Washington's actually going to be a reliable ally.
Andre GunawallaHOST
So if Australia cannot rely on Washington in that manner, how should Australia operate differently with regards to the U.S.-Australia alliance, with regards to its Indo-Pacific position and so much more? And obviously, we'll get into some of these other topics further along in this interview, but sort of broadly, Oddly, how should the country
Malcolm TurnbullGUEST
operate? Let's take the helicopter up to 40,000 feet.
Natalie SambhiGUEST
What it really is, is a consolidation of this, the obligation to consult at the ministerial level and at the leadership level, whereas previously we only sort of did the ministerial level as well.
Natalie SambhiGUEST
But I also want to talk a little about context, you know that's the language that we've got with ANZUS, it's our treaty of the United States, the obligation to consult if one of the members or the other is threatened.
Natalie SambhiGUEST
But the meaning of those alliances also changes over time, you know our alliance with ANZUS has been long standing, ours with Indonesia is new, so how that treaty is interpreted remains to be seen in action.
Natalie SambhiGUEST
And that's why dialogue between members of our armed forces at every level is really important to socialize and circulate ideas of what do we really mean when we're going to come to each other's aid? What are the contingencies where there is a no go? And so having those interactions at every level and junior level to the senior level are really important.
Natalie SambhiGUEST
And the intent is, you know, from the ADS perspective, investing in those relationships is critical.
Heather du Plessis-AllanHOST
He hinted that he thought it was actually the right call that it wasn't actually the right call, especially with the nuclear-free policy.
Heather du Plessis-AllanHOST
And he points out that we paid for that, and of course we did, because the nuclear-free policy was basically the end of our relationship with the US and ANZUS.
Heather du Plessis-AllanHOST
And that's without mentioning the possible lost opportunity in power generation at a time when we're paying so much for power.
Heather du Plessis-AllanHOST
But that's not really the point that he's trying to make.
Heather du Plessis-AllanSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
And he points out that we paid for that.
Heather du Plessis-AllanSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
And of course we did, because the nuclear free policy was basically the end of our relationship with the US and ANZUS.
Heather du Plessis-AllanSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
And that's without mentioning the possible lost opportunity in power generation at a time when we're paying so much for power.
Heather du Plessis-AllanSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
But that's not really the point that he's trying to make.
Christine LeahHOST
And again, that is part of alliance management is sort of negotiating, okay, well, what... what forces will we base or rotate through and on what basis and how often and so forth.
Christine LeahHOST
But I think, like, you're right, as you said earlier, like, the preparedness of the ANZUS alliance has really stepped up in the last decade.
Christine LeahHOST
Yep.
Christine LeahHOST
Yeah.
Hamish MacdonaldHOST
[upbeat music] Well, recently we asked you, "Do we still need our alliance with the United States?" And the response has been huge.
Geraldine DoogueHOST
Yes, it's safe to say that 75 years of the ANZUS Treaty has given you and me more than enough time to form some strong opinions.
Hamish MacdonaldHOST
Today, we're pulling your feedback out of our exploding mail bag and tipping it into the public debate.
Hamish MacdonaldHOST
I'm Hamish McDonald.
Geraldine DoogueHOST
"Dear Global Roamers, I agree that the Australian public needs more discussion and far more honesty from our politicians.
Geraldine DoogueHOST
I'm one of those who's intensely frustrated by the repeated and vacuous references to common values."
Hamish MacdonaldHOST
A- Andrew wrote to us, "Without a solid understanding of ANZUS, having a dialogue about alliances or national security or AUKUS are gonna be less informed.
Hamish MacdonaldHOST
We all need to be more curious about what the implications of this alliance are and what the triggers for invoking ANZUS might be.
Geraldine DoogueHOST
Look, keep your questions and feedback coming.
Geraldine DoogueHOST
We've had a tremendous, uh, response to our ANZUS series, but w- you know, it's marvelous for us to read what you think.
Geraldine DoogueHOST
So our email is global.roaming@abc.net.au.
Geraldine DoogueHOST
Think or feel [laughs], I should say both, both emotions are, uh, are, are welcome.
Michael FulliloveHOST
And we've just marked the 25th anniversary of 9-11.
Michael FulliloveHOST
And 9-11 ushered in a period of real strategic intimacy between Australia and the United States, if you think of the invocation of the ANZUS Treaty, the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Free Trade Agreement and other milestones.
Michael FulliloveHOST
And you presided over some of that as ambassador and we remember that footage of President Bush and John Howard planting a tree at your residence, I think, when you were ambassador.
Michael FulliloveHOST
Is that period of strategic
Michael FulliloveHOST
And we've just marked the 25th anniversary of 9-11.
Michael FulliloveHOST
And 9-11 ushered in a period of real strategic intimacy between Australia and the United States, if you think of the invocation of the ANZUS Treaty, the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Free Trade Agreement and other milestones.
Michael FulliloveHOST
And you presided over some of that as ambassador and we remember that footage of President Bush and John Howard planting a tree at your residence, I think, when you were ambassador.
Michael FulliloveHOST
Is that period of strategic
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