Antonio Palocci

And I think the next big step for stability of Brazil is who's going to be the finance minister.

And there is a lot of speculation about the governor of POE, who is really good with numbers and very pragmatic and reminds people of Palocci.

Palossi was a doctor turned finance minister that at first, when Lula was elected in 2003, was deemed like, who the heck is this guy? What does he know about finance? And he was incredible because he not only was good in numbers, but he could communicate with Congress and society on the needs to do what had to be done.

And it was the best moment of Lula to this day was when Palacios was a finance minister.

Okay.

Okay.

Then the upside case is this new minister is a Pelosi that everyone loves him.

He gains the confidence of the market.

In 2006, the two...

Number two guys he had, José Dirceu and António Palocci, fell to corruption scandals.

Then he pulled Dilma Rousseff out of nowhere.

Yeah,