So I know some of this is covered, but it's fascinating to, to dig into.

It's, it's pretty wild, 'cause so we luckily had a cast that were all willing to literally live [laughs] at this resort while we were shooting.

Uh, and our...

You know, it's a SAG show, so they're...

It's not reality, so they, um, work normal hours.

And we basically just asked them, "If you interact with him after hours when we're not shooting, please be in character.

But you don't have to.

[laughs]

Do you think that these AI principles pull command back towards the individualist model, or do they further reinforce the collective approach like you speak to in your previous book?

yeah so thanks for this so what was interesting as i was doing the ai book um you know so i've written on various topics command obviously being one and command was a book that cost me a lot of effort but also which i learned a lot from doing and i enjoyed the project and what was interesting is i started the project on ai thinking mainly i was going to be talking about autonomous weapon systems you know just to reprise the previous answer if you look at um a lot of the literature there is a very quick conflation or slide from, okay, now we start talking about AI and within three sentences, we're talking about autonomous weapon systems.

So when I started the project, what I thought my work would be about is autonomous weapon systems, frankly, drones, etc.

But just to repeat what I just said is that very quickly, the autonomous weapon system is a completely over-exaggerated system.

Remote systems are extremely important, and some of those remote systems have some AI enablement.

But the idea of autonomous weapons is totally over-exaggerated.

And so quickly, actually, the project on AI moved not away from weapons systems, to command and command systems, headquarters, planning, targeting, etc.

Where do you see that human authority most at risk of potentially becoming a rubber stamp rather than a legitimate control measure?

What was your AD experience like at UCB?

Oh, man, I loved it so much.

It was...

I did it for like six years, which is crazy.

That's where you got all these grays from? Oh, yeah, for sure.

It was so long ago now.

But it was so fun because the theater at that time was just blowing up from people paying attention to it, but there was just also so much talent.

Yeah.

What's the first one you'd like to talk about?

All right.

I'm gonna talk about, um, a documentary about my favorite actor of all time.

That man's name is Marjoe Gortner.

The documentary is called Marjoe.

Uh, Marjoe Gortner is one of the most fascinating people that has ever walked this earth.

Uh, he started out as a child preacher on the tent revival circuit in the South and kind of up the, up the coasts, um, a little bit through the Midwest.

Yep.

... of the plan being less than what you think it ought to be?

Well, well, the, the point is that there's holes, there's existing legacy holes within the equipment, um, and inventory, um, uh, uh, uh, of the, of each of the forces.

Very bad, uh, gaps in terms of weaponry, in terms of communication systems occur, in terms of, uh, logistical infrastructure, stockpiles, munitions.

All of these things have vast holes in them.

So even making up, uh, to get to a force that's capable of sustaining itself on a modern twenty-first century battlefield of high intensity, that, that's gonna take billions to get there.

And then on top of that, we obviously don't want, the UK, and neither does NATO, they, we don't wanna fight a twentieth century war.

We wanna fight a war of the twenty-first century, which involves, um, the, the, the famously stated digital, uh, targeting website, uh, digital system of identifying targets and planning, and supported, um, human combatants, human soldiers, air personnel, uh, sailors, supported by remote systems.

But is it very likely that after expending all of those men and all of that money and all of that materiel, that Vladimir Putin decides to open another front against a NATO state?

I'm embarrassed for you, Anthony

... [laughs] yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I'm just, uh...

So, so anyway, it was...

But also at the time, you know, this is...

Listeners won't remember this, but at the time, there was, there was quite a lot of books coming out about, not in the climbing sphere so much, but in other sports about punters and just normal people, and the one that was ve- did very well was the Nick Hornby book, um, about being a football fan, just being a normal football fan.

So that's where I got the idea from, and I tried it, but it didn't work.

Give us, give us an idea what the narrative is in the, the book.

But to start us off, could you describe your relationship with Spielberg?

Oh, absolutely.

And thank you all for joining that episode about Jaws.

And it might be one of our longest episodes ever on the podcast, as it should be, too, to talk about that movie.

But I also flag that our wonderful also co-host on the show, Greg Kass, joined for discussions on Schindler's List.

as well as Masters of the Air, which are both connected to the Spielberg radius.

And a great PT is also joined for talking about Back to the Future, also a part of the Spielberg radius as well.

here,

What do you make of what Kemi Badenoch is saying with regard to stop and search?

I'm absolutely appalled that Kemi-- I'm a Black man, a proud Black man, um, who serves a community, a diverse community in the beautiful borough of Croydon, and I'm really appalled that Kemi has used this opportunity to now state, uh, cite that, uh, we need to increase stop and search on, uh, people generally, but, uh, primarily Black males.

Uh, in Croydon, what we've done, which has been very, uh, interesting, Nick, I'm sure you'd remember in twenty twenty-one, Croydon had the highest number of teenage murders recorded, uh, with five teenagers being murdered on the borough.

It took for community engagement.

You are, um, I'm sure you're aware that we're the first borough to utilize live facial recognition, which has been-

But don't we have to deal with the fallout of seventy-one percent of fatal stabbing victims in London are Black.

Absolutely, and we can also look at, Nick, the fact that with Croydon, sadly, as I, I mentioned earlier, we had a real serious challenge amongst, uh, young males being murdered.

Uh, all of the Black, uh, all of the young people that were murdered in the borough over the last few years, um, have been Black.

Mm-hmm.

Um, yeah, I mean, it's, uh, it's possible.

For instance, you know, the Ukrainians have mounted many, many drone attacks on Ru- Russia and Russian airspace o- since the start of the war.

They also, uh, committed certain acts of, of sabotage on the Nord Stream pipeline back in 2022.

But I think it's, it's just Russian misinformation, but it's interesting misinformation.

Because what it suggests...

I mean, there's been various interpretations to this, in this incursion into Russian airspace, and one of it is, um, it was strategically deliberate to provoke NATO.

Would it?