Mm-hmm.

And loved it, to be honest.

It was a great grounding to understand a couple of things.

One was just generally how the business world works, working on a lot of different clients, different seg- you know, sectors of different industries.

Um, so had a great opportunity to learn a lot in, in that time.

Um, and then at the end of that time, I actually was, was, was actually a rugby contract.

I was offered to go over and, and play overseas, so I moved to Hong Kong for four years.

Okay.

whatever,

right? And if they don't really know how, if they're not really into the genre that much, You can then point them at some resources like The X-Files, a very willing participant in the investigation, very driven internally.

Or Project UFO, or what was recently re-released as Project Blue Book, a 1970s TV series which was redone in 2019, I think.

Where it's the Air Force who's investigating reports of of strange occurrences pretty sincerely as a government organization.

Right.

So we are all members of Delta Green.

We're all members of Bureau 13.

And so where does that fit in your mind as far as within this matrix you're building of all of that, that type of approach?

And you kind of thought at the time, what the? Yeah.

Talk through that.

So it goes back actually because I sort of think, There are some moments, I guess, even though I haven't strategically spent my career with a really clear career plan.

I've never actually had a career plan.

I know people use them and I've actually helped a lot of people build them.

And I think that can be really, really beneficial for people.

It just hasn't been my experience.

What's your view?