Anthem

Well, maybe not the same budget, but a high enough budget where it probably exceeds the return on investment budget.

On the other hand, with something like this, it's probably a more, I wouldn't say a safer bet because there's no true safe bet because even things like Anthem didn't land well for EA, although I love that game.

But all in all, I think it's a safer bet to go with something that's that kind of budget with that type of reputation, developer and studio and history and the likelihood that it's going to follow the nostalgia of being like a a special successor to Metal Gear Solid.

So all of those things, I think, are what kind of helps seal the deal.

[laughs] Okay.

Uh, after I bid on it and you guys were saying options, my first thought was Anthem, which was bad.

Oh.

Um-

Mm-hmm.

Again, this was guessed.

Break, Breakline Anthem.

This is Anthem.

in.

Anthem.

No, it's not Anthem.

No, I knew it was a dumb guess.

Keep going.

There was some other part of that sentence that turned me off.

Anyhow, we got there in the end.

And then I confused Ubisoft for the EA and said Anthem.

What? Yeah.

It's apparently like, Oh, this is what happened to the Anthem engine.

Um, but, uh, EA, it's an EA thing.

I don't know if anyone at, at Bioware is working on

That's former Bioware guys.

Okay.

The developers who worked on Anthem.

Remember Anthem? That makes sense.

it's what was the

anthem kind of crashed and burned that was them right

Yeah, Anthem, Mass Effect Andromeda.

What was the latest Dragon Age game that just came out? The Veil Guard?

Veil Guard, yeah, which people were very disappointed in.

But it-

You on about Anthem?

Yeah, I am on about Anthem.

You on about Anthem?

Because it looked very much like Iron Man, didn't it? But it lives and dies by that element and that enjoyment that you can get from just taking off and flying around in your suit.

But guys, I wanna ask you, have you, have you, A, seen the leak? And what is gonna change this game compared to a Spider-Man game? You know, is...

So I got hope, and if a team's gonna do it, I trust EA Motive after what they did with Dead Space.

So I, I'm just really excited with this one now.

about you? Do you like this game?

I mean, if the flying's anything like it was in Anthem, then yeah, it'll be cool.

Because Anthem still has probably the best Iron Man type of flying mechanic.

Yeah, yeah.

So, hopefully.

... with Mass Effect Andromeda, where the people running that game had, had explicit no interference from EA at all, and ran that game into the ground.

And that also happened with Anthem.

Where the, the, the Patrick Soderlund played Anthem and was like, "The flying's really cool, but the rest is, uh..." And, like, the flying was supposed to be, like, the tutorial only.

And so they're like, "Oh, shit, the game sucks.

Let's just pile everything into the flying thing." And it's like, guys, you...

Jesus Christ.

Okay, I need to hang up Anthem forever in my brain, and if you can answer this, the question, this might help me.

[laughs]

You have this one project that we keep telling you is awful, even though it makes money.

you're going to be moving around to the Montreal project to the, you know, when I was there, it was Mass Effect Andromeda and then it got moved over and then we were Anthem.

It was doing all the pandemic Zoom stuff before then.

And like I said, there was a lot of people at the top who, you know, some people very, very close to the top who were doing some pretty crazy stuff possibly because they were worried they're they were going to lose their job or they were worried that the game wasn't going to hit because bioware's games constantly don't make the money that ea wanted them to at least when i was there like mass effect andromeda did not do that great anthem obviously was kind of a nightmare like it was a it was a whatever As much of you were like, what happened to this game when you played it? That's kind of how we felt while we were making it.

We were just like, okay.

You

want to play a game that's the best flying around as Iron Man simulator I've ever played? That's Anthem.

Anything else in that game was rough.