Well, I know it can't be all pros, right? What are some of the hard parts that maybe you've struggled with when you have approached open adoption through these years? Yeah, it's,

there are some for sure.

It's, you know, being busy and, you know, I have four kids and so it's really hard to stay consistent and keeping that relationship consistent.

And with any relationship, you have to put in work to keep the relationship going.

And it can be hard.

It can be hard.

Time will pass.

What do you want to say to a family that maybe has access to an open adoption, but maybe they don't have regular contact right now or that contact has faded for some reason or another? How can they still honor that connection to their child?

So is openness primarily then about the contact or the, the relationship, or is it maybe about something deeper?

Definitely, I think it is deeper.

With my two girls, so my oldest is adopted and then my youngest is adopted, and then my two middle ones are biological, and those both look very different.

The openness is very different for both of them.

It's not a one-size-fits-all.

I have a great example of this.

Um, one of my daughters has this, like, amazing talent with music.

Right, right.