Anne Middleton

I think it's one of the really positive things we've seen in the market where it's a lot more visible that actuaries, you know, if you don't get the breadth of actuarial experience or you don't want to become chief actuary, there's a plethora of other opportunities available.

I think, you know, Anne Middleton at Convex and Karen Dial are two really high profile examples of that as well.

And I

guess following on from that,