Just tell, tell me a bit about your involvement with it and what, what you're hoping to do.

I was contacted by Fiona Gray, who was the director.

Unfortunately, she passed away but, um, she was the director and, um, she and her colleagues asked if I could help them with research so that we could get more evidence that, um, hard evidence that Reiki was actually benefiting patients.

And I was very impressed because she told me about the Reiki Medicare program in which Reiki practitioners are trained to operate in hospitals, trained to give Reiki in hospitals under, um, clinical conditions.

So they know all, they know the jargon, they know how to communicate, they know what to do and what not to do.

And, um, I think the training was, like, about six months.

So on top of their Reiki, they had this special training for working in hospitals, and I think that's very, very important.

So was an explanation potentially for the lack of measurability that, that, that-- Am I right in saying that this was done in a room that sort of blocks energy from the outside?