
Anna van Schaap
Detroit-based fine artist, tattoo artist, curator and photographer, guest on the Bad Idea Social Club podcast's "Hope and Tragedy" episodes.
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Jun 16, 2026
Anna van Schaap: Hope and Tragedy // Part 2
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1:53

Anna van SchaapGUEST
Everyone assumes I went into tattooing because it's like an art form that you can make money on, you can live on, you know, you get to use your creative skills.

Anna van SchaapGUEST
And that's not wrong, that it's very rare as a fine artist to also have a, you know, everyday job as well, where you get to directly use the skills that... bring you joy and happiness but what actually is the number one thing that like makes tattooing um just light my heart on fire is spending every single day like day to day with so many amazing people like i get to do a job where i get to actually make art and i get to hold people hostage for like four or five hours And pick their brain and get to know them as a person and connect with them.
20 MINS LATER
Anna van Schaap: Hope and Tragedy // Part 1
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Anna van SchaapGUEST
And they also don't present themselves as a narcissist, right? It was like years into this relationship before the mask really started slipping.

Anna van SchaapGUEST
You just keep thinking like, and that is the insidiousness of narcissism is they are so capable of blaming you like you are doing something wrong you it's because of you i'm acting in this manner blah blah blah so you're just like i i what a horrible person i must be that like my favorite person in the world has now you know become this monster like and but you know Then you're on the other side of it one day and you look back and you're like, oh, it's crazy because, like, everyone he ever had a relationship felt that way and said that way about him.
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