Anna Delvey

And that's not great, man.

With, I mean, another fraudster that was turned into a TV show, Anna Delvey, the sort of like Like German heiress who like she was pretending to be an heiress and then scammed a bunch of people out of a lot of money and they made a documentary about not a documentary.

They made like a series about it on Netflix.

With her, people were

What Elizabeth Holmes did had actual, like, effects on people's health.

Because she made a product that she was lying about.

Like, Elizabeth Holmes did... also defraud people, which the money she was dealing with was way bigger than Anna Delvey, by the way.

But I think for me, what makes her irredeemable is even though she was only convicted on counts related to defrauding investors, whereas Sunny Balwani in a separate trial was convicted of all accounts, which included both defrauding investors and stuff related to patients getting false medical info.

I love the people that you cast on it.

I think you said Anna Delvey.

Wait, you didn't mention, oh yes, Scamanda, of course.

Elizabeth Holmes.

I mean, Dancing with the Stars is no stranger to scammers.

They had Anna Delvey on a recent season and I think she had an ankle monitor.

Bedazzled for the show.

Yeah.

I feel like I felt like he opened the door a lot wider than I think even just the evidence of the film would justify in terms of creating this gray area about her level of complicit, like how complicit she was in the crimes she committed, if that makes sense.

And I think that not to use Anna Delvey's point because I don't actually agree with much of what she said in the airmail thing but like I do think that so much of the film is sort of setting up her relationship with Billy as being a proxy for her relationship with Sonny and I think that a lot of what the film relies upon is saying that if this is how she's acting in this relationship with Billy, then this must have been the dynamic with Sunny and therefore were able to determine that she was probably being manipulated, that she didn't understand what she was signing, that there were contracts that were happening without her, you know, understanding and all that stuff but like at the same time this woman was convicted of a federal crime and went to a federal prison and part of being convicted of a crime in that type of way is they have to establish the fact that you I mean are as a reasonable person would have had some level of like understanding that what you were doing is wrong you know what I mean like if she's doing the quote-unquote like I don't know insanity defense but in terms of like I don't get jokes I I just don't think these things are actually compatible.

And I feel like I wish Nathan Fielder would have been slightly more like if you're going to go to the extent of like showing her this comedy skit and then being like, OK, you're saying that you don't understand this, but you're also sophisticated enough to create this.

can versus could thing

And I will never not be fascinated by this woman.

Because it's one thing to be fascinated by someone like Anna Delvey, which I'm also fascinated by.

Yeah.

Anna Delvey didn't kill people.

That's true.

Yeah.