Yeah.

So the thing I love the, the most is that, um, you know, that, that, that early tradition of sort of curiosity and reading, you know, it's, it's never left me.

Um, and, you know, all that reading did get me out of rural Wisconsin, and I've been able to do training all around.

I, um, graduated from, uh, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, not Madison, for an undergrad, then moved to Arizona, completely different place, for my doctorate, and then, an- yet another completely different place, Seattle, Washington, for my-

Mm-hmm.

Let's talk a little bit and learn a little bit more about how people are resilient and can sort of bounce back or, or live rich, fulfilling lives even in the midst of suffering.

Um, and really trying to capture, honestly, more of the full human experience.

So yeah, I worked, um, was very lucky to work with two faculty there, Alex Zautra and Mary Davis.

Can you explain how your lab's use of real-time smartphone-based tracking helps create a more complete picture of these daily ups and downs compared to a one-time test in a doctor's office?

Yeah.

Thank you for asking about this.

I, I get excited talking about our real-time data collection on RealTimeMS.

Um, so we use a smartphone app that administer, uh, these very brief and kinda easy-to-complete cognitive tests.

Um, and this is in contrast to what many people with MS experience when they get their cognition tested, right? They might go into a very quiet room with a, you know, with an adminis- an examiner who's administering these tests.

It's long, maybe you're there all day.

Since disease-modifying therapies are only part of that equation, what are the most common symptom management medications that people are taking that might quietly be piling up for someone?