... is, is you have to get beyond the tribes and you have to get to the people.

Mm.

Uh, well, 100%, but your question of wh- what do you see when you look at that map, I, that's what I see.

It's just a map.

It's not the people and the place and the culture.

And when you're in a place, like we are here, it's, it's a feeling.

In Voices for Rural Resilience, in my organization, I mean, we really leaned into creative facilitation, storytelling, strategic thinking for rural communities that makes sure that we prioritize feeling as a legitimate way of knowing.

Mm-hmm.