Ann Pettifor

And what, what's horrifying to me is the way in which our democratic governments support them.

My guest is Ann Pettifor, one of the world's most celebrated economists who predicted the 2008 global financial crisis and led the Jubilee 2000 debt cancellation campaign that wiped out over one hundred billion dollars in debt for more than thirty-five of the world's poorest countries.

She co-authored the original Green New Deal proposal for the New Economics Foundation in 2008, which later influenced modern climate policy discussions.

Why did countries get into debt in the 1960s and '70s, when before that period between 1945 and 1971, there was not a single sovereign debt crisis anywhere, right? There were trade tensions.

I can't tell you how many DMs I've been getting.

Ever since I had that conversation with, uh, I think it was Richard Murphy, we've had, like, endless DMs, emails.

"Bring Ann Pettifor.

Ann Pettifor." I was like, "Yes, guys, we're working on it, honestly."