Angus Mackay

[laughs] Here we go.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna wing it." And, and, uh, that's actually, I met, um, the late Angus Mackay and Hannes Piekart.

Yes.

Uh, they were sort of doing investment broking, uh, in the, in the Cape, and, uh, under DTZ Lenhal, you may recall at the time.