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So, yeah, I think that's that, you know, it's not an it's not a when I saw the question, I'm like, yeah, I do think there's some similarities there.

in some ways, uh, Andy Schmidt, 75, how long could we see Jawan Jennings out? Um, I don't think the expectation internally is that it's going to be very long.

I think, um, Jawan Jennings from what it sounded like had kind of a, a family situation matter that required some time toward the end of last week and over the weekend.

But, um, Yeah, I don't believe that it's really a long-term situation.

All right, I'm here with Dr. Mary Talley Bowden again.

For those of you who don't know, my name is Andy Schmidt.

I'm the co-founder of the Paradox Press and the host of this podcast, which is Orthodoxy Podcast.

My assumption is that people will be listening to this after reading through a new open letter to Trump and Kennedy that was written by Dr. Mary Talley Bowden.

Edited by Ari Yarwood.

And Andy Schmidt is editor-in-chief.

And, of course, Clive Barker gets a special thanks.

Roman Lorenzo, Mark Friedman, and Lawrence Cuppin.