In terms of practices to learn to tame the elephant, um, our emotions, and in mental immunity, what are some things you suggest to leaders, to individuals, to learn how to do that effectively? What are just any broad range of practices that you suggest? Because it is so valuable within an organization.

Yeah.

Well, I think, I think step one is to sort of understand that you can be your own worst enemy, that there, there are forces inside you that can...

Every single one of us is susceptible to misinformation or, um, uh, bad ideas.

W- Every single one of us harborsMisinformation and bad ideas.

We have to come to grips with our vulnerability, um, and have the humility to unthink things, to unlearn things.

I think we have this mental model of learning that comes out of the school system, which is learning is all about uploading new information.

Do I need to be this angry? Do I need to be this disappointed? What are some of your strategies personally, whether they come from mediation, philosophy, your research work, what are some of your personal strategies that you could share with the leaders that listen to us on On Leadership about helping yourself ha- being open and taming and building that mental immunity?