Andy, let's tell everybody.

I think the thing that you guys have just said is absolutely on the nose.

I think the back story has to be that when I came into photography, I was obsessed with – I started being obsessed with photography books and I would buy everything that I could find by Galen Rao and Art Wolfe and Joe Cornish.

Imagine that, Judd.

And that was where my inspiration came from.

So, you know, before, because this was pre-Instagram, pre-social media, so my inspiration came from books.

And I've always loved books.

Is it, is it ready to go? Is it,

I mean, you do workshops all over the world.

Yeah.

I, I mean, I need...

I, I still pinch myself about this, because I never expected to, to be able to do this, um, for a living.

I came to it...

I mean, I...

The story that I'm telling you, when I started picking up a photograph, I was already in my, my late 20s by then.

S- With your, with your workshops, like what, what is the size range? Like how many people would go, or how many people do you allow on the workshop so you have that one-on-one time with each, each person?