Andy Yen

It reached $3.1 million a year by late 2024 with a team of 10.

Andy Yen and two colleagues at CERN launched ProtonMail in 2014 as email that Proton itself can't read, while Gmail scanned inboxes for ad targeting.

We're serving users and not advertisers, Yen said.

Pick it if you'd rather sell what a giant can't offer than race it for the same customers.

Gotcha.

I, I, I've heard of most of those, and Proton, we've had Andy Yen and, uh, the Proton, um, head of security on, on the podcast before, so they're certainly well known to Vivaldi users.

Um, I wanna go back, if I may, to w- the, the, the quasi-political point or, or the, it's actually a philosophical point, uh, that you made that we need advocacy in order to free the market to do what the market's supposed to do.

And, and that resonates with me here in the United Kingdom because our regulatory authority, the Competition and Markets Authority, uh, recently r- I mean, it's not recently set up, but in, in our previous prime minister sort of gave it a steer to be, be light touch.