Clearly.

Very, very young man.

When I came to the firm, we were probably less than, close to 100 people, and now we're close to 7,000 people.

So I had a very unique perspective on our firm, and it all started with, as Elizabeth was talking about, Art Gensler's entrepreneurial approach, and I had the opportunity to become head of the LA office in, in the early '90s, and then in 2005, I became co-CEO with my partner Diane Hoskins of the firm.

We knew when Art was stepping down that there can only be one model that would work, and that's a co-leadership model.

(laughs)

In fact, in our firm, we have two leaders that are leading every office, every practice area.

Throughout our firm, we believe so strongly in co-leadership 'cause if everyone has aces and spaces, when people come together with different aces, that's when the sparks fly.