Andy Clark

That's what it is.

So it's like, but in this state where what I think part mechanistically what a lot of psychedelics do, and, and kind of per our, our short list that we talked about, whether it's, you know, psilocybin or, uh, I mean, I think to a more serious degree, and I wouldn't necessarily play with this drug, but like ketamine, I think some, some degree is like an MDMA, um, or an LSD, it's like it, it breaks that attachment in your perception engine or your perception machine as, as, uh, you know, A- Anil Seth or, or, um, Andy Clark would call it.

Um, he...

Experience Machine, that was his book.

I- I- I very much like this idea.

Andy Clark, uh, wrote a book called Supersizing the Mind, and it's that the brain is not just this he- he- hermetically sealed black box, right? Where e- cognition occurs intercranially.

That our cognition happens in a way that is embodied, it is situated, and it is distributed.

Like, we think with other people, right? Like, uh, the, our conversation is thinking with between me and you right now, right? And I read your- your- your, uh, um, body language right now, and I can see that you are, um, outraged.

And so that led us into a deep dive into what's out there.

And quite frankly, I have to tell you the generosity of Carl Fristen, you know, just as a cold call for me, Andy Clark, he endorsed the first book, he was really cool.

And, you know, Ralph Pfeiffer, and then that kind of led us down the road to people like Michael Levin and Josh Baumgart.

So I feel like there's a certain kind of zeitgeist going on right now in the world that there's this movement for cross disciplinary cross pollination of all these different people.

So that's, so I'm, I'm cer- with the course, that's, that's what I'm, I'm sort of building toward.

Then when I get into, you know, people like Andy Clark, people like David Chalmers, your- you, um, idea of extended minds, like, all of this sort of thing, I keep looping back to the earlier guys to ask the students, "Are these people intuiting something that they didn't have the knowledge that we have now, that you have? Is, can we see here that these guys were not just, we're not looking at them as sort of interesting, quaint guys." But when James is talking about the more, for example.

When he's talking about cosmic consciousness, when he's talking about cosmic mind, when he's talking about a pluralistic universe.

It's not a monistic block universe, but it's a universe filled with relationships of particularities and specificities that remain.

I think you had moved out by then.

And so me and somebody, I forget who, Todd Warner, Andy Clark or somebody, we were moving a couch and all of a sudden you heard, this is the middle of the day, Chuck.

You hear pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, like eight shots.

And We dropped the couch and like running down the hallway, like ducking down looking.