Andrea Dworkin

You said rage in your open and I think there is a lot of rage out there, Lorena Bobbitt is certainly an example of it, but I think one of the things I discovered when I was doing my piece was that the woman at this table particularly, there is a sense that that rage may have gone too far.

and that the radical feminism of Katherine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin sort of pushed the envelope where men were basically scurrying for the exits and that these women here that I've spoken with, there's a sense that sex is not necessarily bad and men are not necessarily evil and that it's time to put that message out there and to kind of bring the sexes together again.

I think it depends on what you do with that rage.

I mean, I think rage can be an incredibly healing and important force.

her? No, no.

She was, in every sense, a pathetic and probably quite a nasty woman, it seems to me, but as much to be pitied as anything else.

The only way that you can't get any sense out of this discussion is if you assume that she was wrong to say that, in other words, that women are asexual, which is the assumption made, it seems to me, in a lot of the date rape literature and a lot of the Catherine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin-type commentary, that women are basically not sexed and that...

They don't say

Titties out is just there's a horror movie rule that something is about to happen.

I have this running joke that Jason Voorhees is actually a second wave feminist who's really an Andrea Dworkin.

And that's why he likes killing people who are having sex.

I love that for him.

And as far as Federici, you're going to hear a lot of her.

I actually have some pretty dense blocks that i'm going to read for us just because i couldn't summarize like i think her work is really important um most of my understanding about the witch trials comes from feminist authors and i have i've read the critiques i know that that there is controversy around the Federici, Dworkin, Mary Daly, all of their scholarship has some historical feedback, if you will, that people say, well, that's not quite how it happened.

But I'm not a historian.

but I am a myth maker and I see in the ways that they have taken what they learned and applied it to what we're going through.

So the witches were also often nature worshipers.

They were followers of older religions that refused to put down their cultural practices and be colonized essentially from the top down by the church.

And Andrea Dworkin says in her book, Woman Hating from 1974, I'm just going to read this blurb because it's a really beautiful description of who these women were.

She says, oh, come on.

But your account of porn's positive work is not universally accepted by feminists.

So in the 70s and 80s, Andrea Dworkin argued that pornography inherently subjugated women like other forms of sex work.

Pornography is a system of sexual exploitation in which women are devalued, women are turned into commodities, women are sold as meat, women are, in fact, tortured.

Pornography creates both physical aggression towards women and attitudes and behaviors of discrimination.

But I think this very particular kind of like, oh, like kind of boys history, like how often do men think about the Roman Empire stuff? I think it's part of the continuum with like the girl dinner and the girl maths and all of that gear.

And when I tell you I have got my fucking humorless 1972 hat on for this one and I've fucking hate it I hate it so much when I see grown women saying I'm just a girl I want to fucking pinch them I want to sit them down with Andrea Dworkin and be like you know what some of it was a bit kooky but some of it is actually pretty interesting and maybe you should read it because like oh my fucking god the category

of sit them down with Andrea Dworkin sit them

down with Andrea Dworkin this is my new web series um We're going

to sit Dapper Laughs down with Andrea Dworkin.

You know Dapper Laughs is now an amateur boxer.

You know what? Actually, depressingly, that doesn't surprise me because I feel like now all of the thick social media people are doing that because they've realised it's a good way to make money.

She was, in every sense, a pathetic and probably quite a nasty woman, it seems to me, but as much to be pitied as anything else.

The only way that you can't get any sense out of this discussion is if you assume that she was wrong to say that, in other words, that women are asexual, which is the assumption made, it seems to me, in a lot of the date rape literature and a lot of the Catherine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin-type commentary, that women are basically not sexed and that...

They don't say

that.