So what's needed to unlock investment in infrastructure, energy systems, urban development over the decade to come?

You have to have the policy framework, predictable policies, so the investors can be... confident that their investment will stand over time and that it is commercially viable.

So a good way of promoting investment is of course to de-risk the investment case and that's important because I've met a lot of banks and potential investors that see this as de-risking as a big way forward.

Okay, so with resilience becoming not just a necessity, but a competitive advantage for cities and countries and businesses, what role does the construction and development industry have to play in making that happen? We

have a critical role, I would say, as a construction company and project development.

to make cities more resilient.

We see extreme weather in many places right now and flooding cities.

So that has to be fixed and that requires a lot of investments.