Anberlin

It's really, really good.

But he's also worked with New Found Glory, Yellowcard, uh, Fall Out Boy, Linkin Park, Luna Halo, uh, Anber- uh, not, yeah, oh yeah, Anberlin, Twenty One Pilots, Weezer, Simple Plan.

Uh, and there are a t- oh, [laughs] and then my own note, and the band that shall not, shall, shall not be named.

He's also worked with them.

Little Oneonta, New York.

It was at SUNY Oneonta.

It was on an, uh, Anberlin tour, and Anberlin's back with them.

Oh, interesting.

So like, is this one a heavier song? Is this a more poppy song? Is this a slower song? And we didn't want the...

album to be full of slower songs because I genuinely do find that they're probably sometimes the easiest ones to write because it's just I don't know there's just something about slower songs I feel like is sometimes easier to put them out where keeping songs with energy and drive throughout I think can just be a little bit more testing when we're writing that might not be the same for everyone but I know for a debut album, and I was looking at bands that I've loved over the years, like Anne Boleyn and stuff, the earlier records always were like one, maybe two slower songs.

And as the band progressed over the kind of five, six year sort of album cycle, those became like four slower songs, then almost 50-50.

And I was like, I don't want this album to feel like it's and I still want it to feel like it's, when you put it on, it's a journey kind of sonically, but it's also got pace and it's got some angst to it and it kind of gets people to, it keeps people interested with pace.

We kind of wanted it to be a little bit full out.

And I think, um, There's a band called Acceptance, and they just did a 20-year anniversary of their album, Phantoms.

And every single song features a different artist from, like you said, the main, all-time low, Matty Mullins from Memphis Mayfire, now Anne Boleyn, Charlotte Sands.

It's just full of every single track's got a feature on it.

mean right you didn't know amberlin before this right No, I have no idea what that music is, usually.

Especially this song, it hit nostalgia for me heavy, just because of what I enjoyed about Anne Boleyn before, and I was like, it's just the same, but more.

And they've got Maddie Mullins still.

I want him to come back.

Didn't

Maddie Mullins leave for a little bit from Anne Boleyn?

I don't think he was ever truly a part of it.

I think he's collabed with them and helped them out a decent amount.