Yes.

That's the nice thing when you want a baby and you work with a surrogate, usually you go home with a baby at the end of the day and you're both legally recognized as the parents.

Uh, so those are all...

The outcome is almost always achievable in my practice.

It's kind of the opposite of Ruby's, where Ruby has a, a practice where it's, they're really high stakes and really hard things to overcome.

For us, it's just about checking all the boxes, doing everything correctly, and getting to the other end.

So it really is about the expectations and was this done in a way that felt satisfactory to me.

And when you get burnt out some- and when things get unhappy, [laughs] um, it, it's can be hard to, to stay the course, but you have to step out so you don't get too burnt out and you remember why you're doing what you're doing.