American Nightmare

I mean, Jacob Bannon is one.

We- Wes from American Nightmare is one.

And Chad is, is one, I think, in a way.

Mm-hmm.

Is it, if you see a crime, call 999.

Is it 999 because it rhymes with crime? We have Fang, American Nightmare.

Fang.

I don't think they did a lot.

And quite frankly, dude, nobody was really crossing those streams that like that intensively but also somehow still still pulling off and i think it was because they they were a straight edge hardcore band who would cover turning point and like to me that i've never been in this like pick a fucking side in in in our scene type of thing like a sonic genre side i've always thought that was not always thought i think when i was a dumbass like teenager i was like all fuck the emo scene like but like for like two seconds and secretly listening to saves the day when i would go home you know like

did you i i always heard rumor that you had a lot of ire for like what came along with like like what american nightmare brought with them

not so much uh the band not them uh yeah i get that i get that and it was uh well it was funny like the and i like wes and greg wilmot um they are such individuals.

Big time.

There will be, there becomes a new, a flashpoint every so many years within hardcore music.

where something happens, a band happens, like a movement happens or whatever, and it influences a generation of people to shed whatever they were in previously to adopt this new thing.

I remember I witnessed it firsthand, like as you witnessed it with American Nightmare.

I remember witnessing that with Trapped Under Ice.

yeah but the nice thing about all those bands was they were tight you know they they they they supported each other um as a label when we've had like our kind of like best moments it's usually been because we've worked with a group of bands that all kind of like you know won't kind of wave the flag for each other And kind of beat the drum for each other.

Again, whether it was like the half hearts and verses and ceremonies or, you know, even before that, like American Nightmare and Panic and, you know, artists that were working all together in the same scene.

And I felt that was really, really like prevalent during these years and with the artists that you cover in the book.

Absolutely.

A handful of vendors.

I wouldn't say it seemed sparse, but I had heard that they only sold 900 tickets, which doesn't... sound scant however if you think about all the bands that they you know had to take care of American Nightmare uh you know all it was lots of great bands all day they had some good bands earlier in the day you know like Madball played at something like four o'clock in the afternoon

really

yeah yes yeah Madball was at four ish um Yeah, there's just good bands spread out throughout.

I'd say highlights for me, we're seeing American Nightmare, Dead Guy, of course.

Just, yeah, making some new friends, seeing some old friends.

I saw a couple guys that, you know, from Central New York that my band had played with, kind of newer friends, newer homies.